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Old Apr 10, 2008, 11:16 pm   #81 (permalink) (top)
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it says in Revelation to never add or remove anything from This Book.
Since the Bible had yet to be assembled when that was written, which book does it refer to? The theologians I've read tend to agree it refers to the book of Revelation only.

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Why would God choose which people were homosexual and which weren't if he stated it to be a sin?
The Bible only mentions homosexual-like activity. 2000 years ago people didn't know about homosexual orientation (or germs, sanitation or a host of other things). The Bible addresses behaviors, not orientations.


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Old Apr 10, 2008, 11:43 pm   #82 (permalink) (top)
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Why would God choose which people were homosexual and which weren't if he stated it to be a sin?
That's exactly why the bible isn't "always true" One of the two statements must be false. Then, if something is false within the bible, it opens the door to the possibility of more flaws.


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Old Apr 10, 2008, 11:54 pm   #83 (permalink) (top)
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Since the Bible had yet to be assembled when that was written, which book does it refer to? The theologians I've read tend to agree it refers to the book of Revelation only.
But it doesn't matter. God put what He wanted to have in the Bible.

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The Bible only mentions homosexual-like activity. 2000 years ago people didn't know about homosexual orientation (or germs, sanitation or a host of other things). The Bible addresses behaviors, not orientations.
God can do All things. He can undoubtably see into the future - which could have been one of the reasons for writing this specific part.

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That's exactly why the bible isn't "always true" One of the two statements must be false. Then, if something is false within the bible, it opens the door to the possibility of more flaws.
No, because Christians KNOW that the Bible is True and that God is Perfect.


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Old Apr 10, 2008, 11:56 pm   #84 (permalink) (top)
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But it doesn't matter. God put what He wanted to have in the Bible.



God can do All things. He can undoubtably see into the future - which could have been one of the reasons for writing this specific part.



No, because Christians KNOW that the Bible is True and that God is Perfect.
Then think about Halofan's statement. How can the Bible still be right regardless of what Christians know?
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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:00 am   #85 (permalink) (top)
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He can undoubtably see into the future
There's my problem...I could only believe in a god with x-ray vision.

I'll stick with the contemplations of theologians over extemporized supposition. Especially since Christianity is only a subject of interest to me, not belief.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:03 am   #86 (permalink) (top)
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Then think about Halofan's statement. How can the Bible still be right regardless of what Christians know?
Because the Bible is True at All times - again through Faith, Belief, etc.

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I'll stick with the contemplations of theologians over extemporized supposition. Especially since Christianity is only a subject of interest to me, not belief.
Then I will Pray that you will see the Truth.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:07 am   #87 (permalink) (top)
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Because the Bible is True at All times - again through Faith, Belief, etc.



Then I will Pray that you will see the Truth.
Then answer your own question. If homosexuals do exist, then why would God make them? Does he want to see them suffer and sin?
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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:07 am   #88 (permalink) (top)
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Then I will Pray that you will see the Truth.
Too late. I used to be a Christian. I saw what Christians call the "truth" then. Now I see a different, more natural, less absolute truth. Spare me your prayers. Use your time more productively.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:11 am   #89 (permalink) (top)
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Then answer your own question. If homosexuals do exist, then why would God make them? Does he want to see them suffer and sin?
God - again did not make homosexuals - they chose to be homosexual.

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Too late. I used to be a Christian. I saw what Christians call the "truth" then. Now I see a different, more natural, less absolute truth. Spare me your prayers. Use your time more productively.
There is still time until the final end that has been stated in Revelation. It is productive.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:13 am   #90 (permalink) (top)
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they chose to be homosexual.
And that assertion is based on...what exactly?


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:15 am   #91 (permalink) (top)
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The fact that God is Perfect and would be able to promote sinful related things.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:16 am   #92 (permalink) (top)
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The fact that God is Perfect and would be able to promote sinful related things.
And he would want to promote sinful things that he considers sinful.. for what reason?
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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:18 am   #93 (permalink) (top)
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I only see men saying what should be considered sinful or not. Where is there any indication that there's a god behind their pronouncements?


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:21 am   #94 (permalink) (top)
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God - again did not make homosexuals - they chose to be homosexual.
Sooner or later you're going to respond to this post..

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Old Apr 11, 2008, 12:29 am   #95 (permalink) (top)
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You cannot - "put the Bible aside" It is Always Existent and Always True.
Christianity wants you to think so. It is flaws such as this condemnation of homosexuality that reveal its true nature.
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Why would God choose which people were homosexual and which weren't if he stated it to be a sin?
That is the question. If God were to really exist, how could he make people homosexual and condemn them to hell?
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God can do All things. He can undoubtably see into the future - which could have been one of the reasons for writing this specific part.
So he could see into the future and still condemned homosexuality?
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No, because Christians KNOW that the Bible is True and that God is Perfect.
No, Christians think they know that the bible is true and that God is perfect.
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Because the Bible is True at All times - again through Faith, Belief, etc.
Your belief in it does not necessarily make it true. Beliefs can and often are false.
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God - again did not make homosexuals - they chose to be homosexual.
I myself am gay, and I can tell you that it is not a choice.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 03:25 pm   #96 (permalink) (top)
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And he would want to promote sinful things that he considers sinful.. for what reason?
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The fact that God is Perfect and would be able to promote sinful related things.
Excuse me I meant that He would NOT be able to promote sinful related things.

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I only see men saying what should be considered sinful or not. Where is there any indication that there's a god behind their pronouncements?
Because God put what He wanted into the Bible.

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Christianity wants you to think so. It is flaws such as this condemnation of homosexuality that reveal its true nature.
How so?

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That is the question. If God were to really exist, how could he make people homosexual and condemn them to hell?
Because He does not create homosexuals, He creates people that choose to become homosexual.

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So he could see into the future and still condemned homosexuality?
Again, he does not create homosexuals.

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No, Christians think they know that the bible is true and that God is perfect.
No, Christians KNOW that the Bible is True.

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Your belief in it does not necessarily make it true. Beliefs can and often are false.
Of course certain "beliefs" are false. But Christians KNOW that It is True.

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I myself am gay, and I can tell you that it is not a choice.
No, of course it is a choice. All things are a choice, except being born.


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 05:03 pm   #97 (permalink) (top)
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Will. PLEASE respond to my 3rd or 4th attempt at reaching through to you.. why are you hiding?

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Old Apr 11, 2008, 05:05 pm   #98 (permalink) (top)
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No, of course it is a choice. All things are a choice, except being born.
OK, so when did you choose to be straight?


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 06:53 pm   #99 (permalink) (top)
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Or better yet, when did you choose your hair color?

look, most homosexuals say it's not a choice. So, who am i going to believe? The huge amounts of homosexuals who say it's not a choice and would know. Or the few people who say it is a choice and are often homophobic? Gee, i wonder


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Old Apr 11, 2008, 09:37 pm   #100 (permalink) (top)
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Some "religions" have done so, but True Christianity does not - as it says in Revelation to never add or remove anything from This Book.
Are you actually naive enough to believe that because it says that in revelation men haven't changed it?
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