The Christian God Doesn't Hate Gays

[christianmathew]

freefalllife,
it is your choice whether you go to Hell or not. You're the one who's not choosing to believe the true god.

Yeah, there are a lot of people who will choose to not believe in in what they can not see, so you will have a lot of company.

voluntary,
I am not "deriving" any truths. these are the words of god that you are choosing to violate. It is not me you should be worried about offending, it's God.

[Voluntary]

Quote by: christianmathew voluntary, I am not "deriving" any truths. these are the words of god that you are choosing to violate. It is not me you should be worried about offending, it's God.

Where do you expect this conservation to lead to? You can't convert me and you can't provide material evidence for god.

[freefallife]

Quote by: christianmathew freefalllife, it is your choice whether you go to Hell or not. You're the one who's not choosing to believe the true god.

And how does one determine that YOUR god is the true god and not the gods of Islam, Buddhism, Hindu, or any of the other myriad of gods available. You dismiss all their gods as false. What evidence do you have to do so?

Yeah, there are a lot of people who will choose to not believe in in what they can not see, so you will have a lot of company.

And there are many people that DO believe in what they cannot see. I just mentioned them. Does a follower of Islam go to hell? Buddhists? Are they to burn in hell as well? What of the Hindus? The Jews? The Confucianists? Shinto? Sikhism? Taoism? Are all these worshipers to burn in hell for not believing in your "true" god? A god that you cannot even prove to BE the "true" one??

[Will_00]

I have considered this. I really don't like christians cherry-picking the bible since it is a practice in hypocrisy. How do you believe in absolute morality based off an infallible doctrine?

God told those who wrote the Bible what to write. It was not simply a guess of what was true.

Perhaps they were wrong about God. After all these humans that wrote the bible were fallible. Ever consider this?

God put what He wanted into the Bible into it. If he didn't want some part of it in There, it would not be in There.

I'll admit this. I think many of the fables and allegories have benign intentions. This still does not prove god or the necessity of religion.

The Stories in the Bible were not at all fables - They were Parables.

Please read this in response to your statement that Christianity is a Religion.

As well, It states in the Bible that being homosexual is a sin. All sins are detestable by God. God does not hate homosexuals, though. He Loves All people.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer LOL, Rainbow.. I never asserted you had gays in your family.. chill man, seriously. You said you wouldn't exist IF you had gay ancestors. You need to stop whining and just explain yourself.

It is a sarcasm. I like a dark sense of humour and/or sarcasm :-)
Rainbow's family <---> pack of pathological guys, filled with a hidden-agenda-sex-obsessive delusional maniacs :-)))

[Sarcasm]
Why should I feel offended ?
Since LullabyChainer provides example for normal homosexualists activity, then my family ranks go below that level.
I think my family should work something out, in order to match and/or catch up LullabyChainer's ranking for normal homosexualists :-)
I may feel offended, may I not ? :-)
[Sarcasm]

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Tycoon No, I am the party that should and is feeling offended.

Unacceptable ranking ? :-)))

[Anmon]

I don't think God intentionally created gays, I believe it is a mental defect or illness of the brain.

[Magnus]

Quote by: Anmon I don't think God intentionally created gays, I believe it is a mental defect or illness of the brain.

First of all, people much smarter than you, havbe decided its not, after enough research.

so you dont believe in intelligent design? god must be pretty bad in biology to allow such a thing.

[Will_00]

God did not create homosexuals, he created people that may have decided to become homosexual.

[Jack]

And when did his people decide to become heterosexuals?

[Tycoon]

God did not create homosexuals, he created people that may have decided to become homosexual.

There is no decision in being homosexual, as Isherwood points out.

Halofan48, it may not seem like a choice on whether to like girls or guys, but actually making the sin is a choice. People "becoming straight" means that they were never really gay, I agree with you.

I would like you to give any reason why homosexuality should be considered a sin, setting asside the line where the bible condemns it. Ignore what the bible said about gays, and then look at what it says about everything else. Then tell me why it should condemn gays.

[Magnus]

Quote by: Will_00 God did not create homosexuals, he created people that may have decided to become homosexual.

Have you ever met one and asked?
I have, its not a choice. When did you choose to like girls?

[Lullaby Chainer]

I'll post this again..

# An unchosen preference: There is no evidence to suggest that the sexuality of the majority of people, homosexual or heterosexual, is a result of a conscious choice on their part. Despite the frequently heard popular assertations that homosexuality is a choice (De Witt, 1992), the overwhelming majority of homosexual males and females indicate they never chose to become homosexual, but that they are that way innately (SteveD41, 1993, "Evidence"; GregBear, 1993). Those who would dismiss this point make the untenable mistake of believing in synchronized mass dishonesty, rather than accepting the stated feelings of homosexuals as indicators of (at least partially) natural biological drives.

Statistical information gathered from interviews with large numbers of American homosexuals and heterosexuals reveals a quantitative presence of feelings of difference in pre-homosexual children. Children who mature into adult homosexuals are behaviorally different from their pre-heterosexual counterparts in many ways, exhibiting "gender nonconformance," a refusal to act out traditional gender roles, from the age of 2 or 3 on, as well as a number of other developmental differences (Bell, Weinberg, & Hammersmith, 1981). The innate sex drive of homosexuals is so powerful a determinant of their behavior that many choose to respond to it, even while facing intense social and cultural pressure not to. Said one homosexual male, "our need to love others of our gender is innate. There is no choice involved" (Anecdotal accounts include: Leavy, 1993; Alex, 1993; SteveD41, 1993, "God made ").

# Physical differences: Recent physiological studies have demonstrated physically detectable differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Simon LeVay's hypothalamus study (1991) found that the hypothalamus, "a part of the brain that helps regulate sexual behavior, was smaller in homosexual men than in heterosexual men; it was equivalent to the dimensions seen in heterosexual women" (Angier, 1992).

A second anatomical difference was subsequently discovered by Dr. Laura S. Allen and Dr. Roger A. Gorski of the University of California at Los Angeles. Allen and Gorski found that another brain structure, the anterior commissure, a "cord of nerve fibers that allows two halves of the brain to communicate with one another, is larger in homosexual men than it is in either heterosexual men or in women." LeVay said of he Allen-Gorski studies: "'I think the work is very good, and I think it's correct It's such a clear result, and in a sense it's more important than my own finding" (1992).

New findings support "a neuroendocrine predisposition for homosexuality" (study by Dr. Gunther Dorner and associates, as reported by Ellis, 1992). Other studies indicate hormonal differences in homosexuals (West, 1977).

Even with the increased number of studies being conducted, the "question of the basic origin of fixed homosexuality remains controversial" (Ellis, 1992). The trend is towards identifying biological factors which may lead to a predisposition for homosexuality, while leaving the door open for environment and experience as determining factors in individual behavior.

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[Kaylor]

It is just like any other sin. There are sins both relating to sex of both preferences, its just something they have to try to avoid.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Kaylor It is just like any other sin. There are sins both relating to sex of both preferences, its just something they have to try to avoid.

Uh, that's a pretty damn hefty toll to put on someone.. imagine if your sexuality was deemed evil..

[Tycoon]

It is just like any other sin. There are sins both relating to sex of both preferences, its just something they have to try to avoid.

The bible specifically points out homosexuality as a sin.

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders Nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

[Will_00]

I would like you to give any reason why homosexuality should be considered a sin, setting asside the line where the bible condemns it. Ignore what the bible said about gays, and then look at what it says about everything else. Then tell me why it should condemn gays.

You cannot - "put the Bible aside" It is Always Existent and Always True.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Will_00 You cannot - "put the Bible aside" It is Always Existent and Always True.

Always true?

You believe we should stone virgin girls on their wedding night?

Sure.. it can be true sometimes.. but ALWAYS?

[Piscean]

freefalllife, it is your choice whether you go to Hell or not. You're the one who's not choosing to believe the true god. Yeah, there are a lot of people who will choose to not believe in in what they can not see, so you will have a lot of company. voluntary, I am not "deriving" any truths. these are the words of god that you are choosing to violate. It is not me you should be worried about offending, it's God.

In the very bible you think you are preaching from it makes it very clear that God is omniscient. Therefore it is Gods choice who is gay. Everything is Gods choice and responsibility. Either you'll have to go on believing in a hateful cruel monster as a god who will torture the vast majority of humanity forever because they weren't so lucky as to believe what you do. Or you'll have to realize that men have been twisting and altering the words of the bible for thousands of years in order to have power and control over other men. Religion is man's way, it is one of the heads of the beast that deceives the whole world pitting everyone against each other and making mankind spiritually blind. If there is any part of you that recognizes the evil your taught to believe, seek God without any of the things taught to you by men and you'll find an immeasurably greater God than the false god they've duped you into following who's really the image of man. An image of an evil dictator immeasurably worse than anyone could really imagine. Stop bowing to idols and trust God to free you from corruption of mans teachings.

If you are too far brainwashed to understand or have ears to hear what I'm saying, just don't bother replying. I know very well all the responses of "so called christianity" and you'll be wasting both our time if you try to convert me to your cult. And yes all man's religions are cults. They all tech follow us or go to hell. It's the same man made evil wrapped in a different wrapper and you'd be forever blessed to be free of it.

[Will_00]

In the very bible you think you are preaching from it makes it very clear that God is omniscient. Therefore it is Gods choice who is gay.

Why would God choose which people were homosexual and which weren't if he stated it to be a sin?

Or you'll have to realize that men have been twisting and altering the words of the bible for thousands of years in order to have power and control over other men.

Some "religions" have done so, but True Christianity does not - as it says in Revelation to never add or remove anything from This Book.