The Christian God Doesn't Hate Gays

[gela]

I am afraid you you associate social issues with terms related to society, community, groups, etc. only. Do you consider a process of upbringing for Social and/or Sociology and/or Psychology related issue ? What disease are you talking about ? How did you come up to such conclusion ? Did I mention and/or suggest any disease ? Are you familiar with the meaning of word that stands for pathology ? What gene ? Try to notice please, that IF my ancestors had been homosexualists, I would not exist. Older brothers ? Are you implying I have no idea on my family roots ? There has been No presence of Any homosexualist within my family, for the past appx. 500 years (!) What brothers are you talking about ? :-) Is that a sort of paraphrase ? Are we talking about DNA related cases, or pathological issues ?

definition of pathology is :

pathology (p-thl-j) 1. The scientific study of disease and its causes, processes, and effects. 2. The physical and mental abnormalities that result from disease or trauma.

I was reffering you to this debate: Gay gene?
or more specificaly, this post:
Gay gene?

[ChaChynga]

If people would simply execute Gods Just judgments upon them and the adulterers et al who are proscribed the death penalty, then Life would be so great. Think of the peace, and the ability to go un - accosted, think of the Love. What a place it would be.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: ChaChynga If people would simply execute Gods Just judgments upon them and the adulterers et al who are proscribed the death penalty, then Life would be so great. Think of the peace, and the ability to go un - accosted, think of the Love. What a place it would be.

Now there is a good solution. kill anyone who disagrees with your opinion of gods just judgement.

[ShadowFox]

If people would simply execute Gods Just judgments upon them and the adulterers et al who are proscribed the death penalty, then Life would be so great. Think of the peace, and the ability to go un - accosted, think of the Love. What a place it would be.

So you think that gays should be executed? and then you say by doing such horrible acts the world would be peaceful and loving? You are a piece of work, you know that?

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Now there is a good solution. kill anyone who disagrees with your opinion of gods just judgement.

Great Movie BTW.

Not My Opinion, by the way, it's God whom you have a problem with.


Food for thought:


All human law or rights, and consequently the absolute power which man can claim, is
necessarily limited: (a) By the divine law. Since man, as a creature, supposes the Creator, and
always depends on God, he must recognize the divine law as superior to him, and as
conditioning human law. The divine law is really absolute, because it proceeds from the absolute
Spirit and is infinite. Man can not even think of the divine law as non-existing; still less can he
break its power. Whether he will or not, he remains subject to the great law of nature, and to the
law of the divine guidance of the world. He can not do away with the order of the world any
more than with the elements, nor with-draw himself from the irresistible power of time. (b) By
the limited physical nature of man, from which human law, because it pertains to the visible,
earthly order of things, can not be separated. These limits may be disregarded in individual
cases, but they can not be removed nor argued away. When, therefore, as in recent times, it is
claimed that absolute power is necessary, those who approve it seek to introduce it into the state
in a covert manner, and to moderate it by the recognition of the above limits. They admit that
absolute law or right is not of human origin, and they give it a divine source. God, according to
this view, has invested man with the right of absolute rule for the purpose of securing and
maintaining social order, and has raised human rulers to the dignity of his representatives and
plenipotentiaries. To this extent, therefore, they claim that man may properly exercise absolute
power. This view is a dangerous one in this age, because it mixes the true and the false so
adroitly that it may easily mislead the unthinking. While maintaining an appearance of reverence
for God, who alone possesses absolute power, it seeks to secure to the sovereign the most
unlimited power possible. It protests against human assumption, and still would reap the fruits of
that assumption. It will not allow a ruler to make himself a god, but puts him in the place of God,
and encourages him to entertain the strange delusion that his thoughts and actions are under
divine control, in a manner different from the thoughts and actions of other men. It derives the
absolute power of man from God, and, with due humility, recognizes the dependence of man on
his Maker, while it encourages, in the mind of the ruler, the insolent idea that he only exercises
the power possessed by God before He delegated it to him. In the actual exercise of his powers
the sovereign is thus raised to a level with the Deity, infinitely above the rest of mankind who
are certainly his equals and not his creatures. The errors of this view are therefore essentially the
same as if divine power were ascribed to man. Man can have rights and exercise power only
within the limits of his nature.

Lalor, Cyclopaedia of Political Science, V.1, Entry 4, ABSOLUTE POWER: Library of Economics and Liberty

[Jack]

Pretty stale food, having been first dished up in 1881. That's a bit better than citing material written 2000 years ago, but just barely, and just as irrelevant to the 21st century.

If people would simply execute Gods

No need to be so extreme. You can't execute imaginary friends anyway. Just quit believing in them and they disappear.

[SoylentGreen]

ChaChynga Not My Opinion, by the way, it's God whom you have a problem with.

No, it's more of a problem with, as you say, "people (who) would simply execute Gods Just judgments "

Food for thought:

All human law or rights, and consequently the absolute power which man can claim, is necessarily limited: (a) By the divine law. Since man, as a creature, supposes the Creator, and always depends on God, he must recognize the divine law as superior to him, and as conditioning human law.

I do not suppose the creator and have no dependency on a myth. I do not recognise divine law as even existing, let alone as superior.

Man can not even think of the divine law as non-existing;

yes I can.

Whether he will or not, he remains subject to the great law of nature, and to the law of the divine guidance of the world. He can not do away with the order of the world any more than with the elements, nor with-draw himself from the irresistible power of time

Nature is one thing, god is not anything.
The elements and time are natural physics of the universe, what right do you have to claim them divine?

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: Isherwood Pretty stale food, having been first dished up in 1881. That's a bit better than citing material written 2000 years ago, but just barely, and just as irrelevant to the 21st century. No need to be so extreme. You can't execute imaginary friends anyway. Just quit believing in them and they disappear.

Execute People based on Truth.

Wipe the slate of the lawbreakers, and there will be glorious PEACE.

The type of Peace Yahweah and the Son Christ Jesus Had in mind.

Anyone that hates them or their laws, even if they are not trouble makers- in mens eyes, will one day be removed as well.

Chachynga

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: SoylentGreen No, it's more of a problem with, as you say, "people (who) would simply execute Gods Just judgments "

Least your somewhat honest.

You hate Gods People because they have the authority given BY GOD to DO evil to the wickedness that's on the face of this earth. I can see that and anyone who is of God can see that.

Just before your sentenced, be sure and ask God about ChaChynga... ask him if you had paid heed, and actually considered that there exists a God if things could have been different, then judge for yourself, that you foolishly chose wrongly and remember my name the ChaChynga right before your exterminated.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: ChaChynga Execute People based on Truth. Wipe the slate of the lawbreakers, and there will be glorious PEACE. The type of Peace Yahweah and the Son Christ Jesus Had in mind. Anyone that hates them or their laws, even if they are not trouble makers- in mens eyes, will one day be removed as well. Chachynga

Did you have any particular day in mind?

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: ChaChynga Least your somewhat honest. You hate Gods People because they have the authority given BY GOD to DO evil to the wickedness that's on the face of this earth. I can see that and anyone who is of God can see that. Just before your sentenced, be sure and ask God about ChaChynga... ask him if you had paid heed, and actually considered that there exists a God if things could have been different, then judge for yourself, that you foolishly chose wrongly and remember my name the ChaChynga right before your exterminated.

Just wondering, are you a student, Do you feel somewhat bullied at school, do you own a gun?

[gela]

Execute People based on Truth. Wipe the slate of the lawbreakers, and there will be glorious PEACE. The type of Peace Yahweah and the Son Christ Jesus Had in mind. Anyone that hates them or their laws, even if they are not trouble makers- in mens eyes, will one day be removed as well. Chachynga

I suggest you look up a series called 'Death Note'. Its a japanese comic, that was turned into an anime, that was turned into a japanese live action movie.

Its very thought provoking.

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Did you have any particular day in mind?

Yesterday!

[ShadowFox]

Chachynga, who are you to say that these people should die? It's like me saying "In this book from the 12th century, it says all people who own a dog must be killed, so it must be done!!!"

Just wondering, are you a student, Do you feel somewhat bullied at school, do you own a gun?

I thought about that too. Universities of Texas, BEWARE!!

I suggest you look up a series called 'Death Note'. Its a japanese comic, that was turned into an anime, that was turned into a japanese live action movie. Its very thought provoking.

Dude, that show is disturbing. It's this kid who gets a hold of this book, and who ever's name he writes in the book dies. He has to know their name and face, and can describe how the death will happen. It's creepy. This is a bit off topic though so i'll stop.

[gela]

Dude, that show is disturbing. It's this kid who gets a hold of this book, and who ever's name he writes in the book dies. He has to know their name and face, and can describe how the death will happen. It's creepy. This is a bit off topic though so i'll stop

It is creepy.. but its revelent because he uses the book to kill all the bad people, in an attempt to rid the world of evil.

[ShadowFox]

it's going to be on tv here at about 1 a.m. (3 hours from now). I can see how you would compare Chachynga to, what is it, Kira or something? Whoever the guy with the book is. They both use a book to deal what they think is justice in horrible ways.

[Tycoon]

If people would simply execute Gods Just judgments upon them and the adulterers et al who are proscribed the death penalty, then Life would be so great. Think of the peace, and the ability to go un - accosted, think of the Love. What a place it would be.

You really have been brainwashed, and it's disgusting.

[Piscean]

Execute People based on Truth. Wipe the slate of the lawbreakers, and there will be glorious PEACE. The type of Peace Yahweah and the Son Christ Jesus Had in mind.

Interesting, since evry bible i ever read had Jesus teaching the opposite of you! Have you read the bible or is it just something you like to swing at peoples heads?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer 1. Actually, Rainbow.. you can't say that. Homosexuality doesn't prevent reproduction: Homosexuals reproduce and would therefore be able to pass on a genetic propensity for homosexuality, or "gay genes," to use the skeptic's term (GregBear, 1993). This is shown by sociological studies and surveys. A Kinsey Institute study supplies one source of hard data about the propensity of homosexuals to engage in heterosexual sex which could result in offspring: "Of 262 self-identified lesbian women, 75% had had sex with men since age 18 and 43% of those who had always identified themselves as lesbian had done so (Sanders, Reinisch, & McWhirter, 1990). It is not uncommon for gay men and lesbian women (often for religious or social reasons) to marry into a heterosexual relationship and sire children (Jones, 1978). Perpetuity of deleterious genes: Being maladaptive or nonconducive to reproduction does not ensure that a genetic trait will disappear. Even fatal diseases caused by recessive alleles, such as sickle-cell anemia in its homozygous form, are not eliminated from the human gene pool. (And, remember, homosexuality is not fatal, and homosexuals often reproduce.) Deleterious heterozygous traits are maintained at low frequencies because if heterozygous, they are not expressed, and can be passed on perpetually, only causing problems when matched with another heterozygous genotype as a homozygous allele. Furthermore, natural levels of mutation offset the natural slow decrease in frequency through natural selection. Thus, if the frequency of such a disease is only one in ten thousand, to reduce the deleterious allele just tenfold would take 500 generations, or about twelve thousand years in a human population (GregBear, 1993; Fairbanks, 1993). [source] 2. You're mistaken. Twin studies: In multiple similar studies pairs of twins have been compared for sexual preference. A strong positive correlation between relatedness and similarity of sexual preference has been identified. Identical twins raised apart, for instance, are more likely to both be homosexual as adults (if one is homosexual) than fraternal twins, and both are more likely to share sexual orientation than genetically unrelated siblings raised together. Some twin studies have shown concordance rates as high as 100% (Friedman, 1988, p. 27). Based only on the data from these studies genetics can account for 31 to 74 percent of sexual orientation (GregBear, 1993; UPI no author, 1993; CNN Health Works, 1993; Bower, 1992; Puterbaugh, 1990). Based on such evidence Richard C. Pillard of the Boston University School of Medicine declared said, "Male sexual orientation is substantially genetic" (Bower, 1992). An unchosen preference: There is no evidence to suggest that the sexuality of the majority of people, homosexual or heterosexual, is a result of a conscious choice on their part. Despite the frequently heard popular assertations that homosexuality is a choice (De Witt, 1992), the overwhelming majority of homosexual males and females indicate they never chose to become homosexual, but that they are that way innately (SteveD41, 1993, "Evidence"; GregBear, 1993). Those who would dismiss this point make the untenable mistake of believing in synchronized mass dishonesty, rather than accepting the stated feelings of homosexuals as indicators of (at least partially) natural biological drives. Statistical information gathered from interviews with large numbers of American homosexuals and heterosexuals reveals a quantitative presence of feelings of difference in pre-homosexual children. Children who mature into adult homosexuals are behaviorally different from their pre-heterosexual counterparts in many ways, exhibiting "gender nonconformance," a refusal to act out traditional gender roles, from the age of 2 or 3 on, as well as a number of other developmental differences (Bell, Weinberg, & Hammersmith, 1981). The innate sex drive of homosexuals is so powerful a determinant of their behavior that many choose to respond to it, even while facing intense social and cultural pressure not to. Said one homosexual male, "our need to love others of our gender is innate. There is no choice involved" (Anecdotal accounts include: Leavy, 1993; Alex, 1993; SteveD41, 1993, "God made "). Physical differences: Recent physiological studies have demonstrated physically detectable differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals. Simon LeVay's hypothalamus study (1991) found that the hypothalamus, "a part of the brain that helps regulate sexual behavior, was smaller in homosexual men than in heterosexual men; it was equivalent to the dimensions seen in heterosexual women" (Angier, 1992). A second anatomical difference was subsequently discovered by Dr. Laura S. Allen and Dr. Roger A. Gorski of the University of California at Los Angeles. Allen and Gorski found that another brain structure, the anterior commissure, a "cord of nerve fibers that allows two halves of the brain to communicate with one another, is larger in homosexual men than it is in either heterosexual men or in women." LeVay said of he Allen-Gorski studies: "'I think the work is very good, and I think it's correct It's such a clear result, and in a sense it's more important than my own finding" (1992). New findings support "a neuroendocrine predisposition for homosexuality" (study by Dr. Gunther Dorner and associates, as reported by Ellis, 1992). Other studies indicate hormonal differences in homosexuals (West, 1977). Even with the increased number of studies being conducted, the "question of the basic origin of fixed homosexuality remains controversial" (Ellis, 1992). The trend is towards identifying biological factors which may lead to a predisposition for homosexuality, while leaving the door open for environment and experience as determining factors in individual behavior. [source]

#1
I take your statement as a misfortunate compilation and/or composition.
(Otherwise, it stands for extremely offensive one.)

Notice the fact, that my sentence is directed at my family, precisely, and only. I can not recall you have been a member of my family, ever. You have neither any data on my family nor heraldry, shield or banner. Therefore, I Can say that, and my statement remains intact.

Back to the issue - you raise.
What these points are all about ???
Direct me to my (alleged) post(s) I submitted (ever !) with Any information that homosexualists can Not reproduce.
Nevertheless, I can challange some points (within that copied material - courtesy of the link you paste it from). What for ?

Example :

Thus, if the frequency of such a disease is only one in ten thousand, to reduce the deleterious allele just tenfold would take 500 generations, or about twelve thousand years in a human population (GregBear, 1993; Fairbanks, 1993).

That sounds like a fairy-tales.
Show me a guy who is going to follow those 500 generations and/or 1200 years, in order to prove and/or confirm that study's findings are correct.
What happens if that study's findings are in-correct ? Who is going to complain about it, 1200 years from now ???

#2
Yet another pack of arguments - courtessy of the same link.
Instead of copying and pasting some questionable materials, ask yourself few questions :
- can he or she-wanna-be-percieved-by-others nurse a child ???
- can he etc. get pregnant ?
Are you after individual's physical appearance or reality ?

By stating the following sentence :
"Except for fractional number with DNA related cases, it is a pathology." - by Rainbow, I mean the following :
- there is a very small percentage of people born with defective DNA
The rest of us are born as normal people, with all the characteristics given to and/or manifested by Homo Sapiens species.
Nobody is born a guy and/or lesbian, except that very small percentage with defective DNA.

Example :

A second anatomical difference was subsequently discovered by Dr. Laura S. Allen and Dr. Roger A. Gorski of the University of California at Los Angeles. Allen and Gorski found that another brain structure, the anterior commissure, a "cord of nerve fibers that allows two halves of the brain to communicate with one another, is larger in homosexual men than it is in either heterosexual men or in women." LeVay said of he Allen-Gorski studies: "'I think the work is very good, and I think it's correct It's such a clear result, and in a sense it's more important than my own finding" (1992).

Those guys developed larger anterior commissure, but they fail to answer :
- when it happened
- reasons it happened
In (very) simplified expression - used for comparison purposes, only :
Observation : there is a guy with knife
Finding : that guy killed and/or is about to kill somebody
Is that so ?
By what means ? Size of knife ? Guy's appearance and/or look ? Guy's behaviour ?
We simply have Neither any data on that guy, nor that knife, not to mention many other crucial factors.
Stating that something was detected, does not necessarily mean it leads to correct conclusions, determinations, etc.
More over, that (exactly) Homo Sapiens' brain is that part of our body we have the fewest data of all, in spite of tremendous progress made in field of Medicine.

What is the reason you address these issues - posted by yourself - to me ?

P.S.
There was No any homosexualists in my family, as long as it has been lasting for over 550 years, Ever (!)

[Rainbow]

@gela
Social Pathology.