Dragging along the weak!!

[Piscean]

Ohhh, so you not only want to punch out smaller, weaker guys, you're also a trained fighter to boot. So it's even more lopsided than I thought. I just found it incredible that someone would come onto this board to whine about how tough it was to be them because they couldn't beat up smaller, weaker people whenever they felt like it

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Why do you keep saying I like to beat up little weak guys? lol I must really seem like a jerk to you. I admit the title i gave this thread may have been overboard.

Truthfully when I say "put someone in their place" I don't mean in the hospital. Sometimes a good verbal whooping is all someone needs to be put in their place. Sometimes a little physical force goes a long way to establish some boundaries. The military uses it, the law uses it, but if i do im some kinda bad guy according to some. I just don't see it that way. I see it as a necessary part of life and I've I've seen people get charged with assault for some ridiculous things that I would have done too in their shoes. I can't even remember the last fight I was in like i said people don't mess with me. They like to pick on the weak ones or insult a guy like me from afar.

And man I was never whining about how tough it is to be me, I feel alot sorrier for the people I see around me in the world. I wasn't asking for your sympathy. I think you and I just misunderstand each other. You'd probably like me if you knew me and I'm sure you're a pretty cool person too.

I'm curious if how you feel the outa control youth with no discipline should be handled. To me their dad outa take em out back n teach em a little respect but I know im some kinda barbarian by todays standards so I wanna hear what you think should be done?

[another day]

Quote by: Sonart . I simply outgrew the need to think punching someone out solved any problems.

Apparently you didn't outgrow the need to think getting involved in petty arguments over meaningless drivel solves any problems.

I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

As for pisceans argument that parents should beat their children to instill discipline, that has long been proven harmful. Discipline comes from understanding, not force. Beaten children will often project that violence into their future lives. Guess who got beaten every day of his youth? Hitler. Sounds silly but it's an exaggerated example.

Wolves bite their pups ears to instill discipline and obediance through pain. People used to, and often still use the same technique. However as we continue to evolve past the level of primitive animal, this is something that must be left behind as we continue to strive for a more peaceful and evolved society.

[Piscean]

Where did i say beat yer kid. What happened to Hitler isn't anything to do with what I'm talking about and if this is petty drabel or whatever, why are you chiming in with input that's clearly not well thought out?

And as with all big overgrown societies the only thing we are evolving toward is our destruction. But you go ahead and be a proud evolutionary specimen if that's what you think you are I don't wanna take it away from you.

[Piscean]

The only eveolution I can identify is you've learned to live in an artificial environment so when it collapses the mass majority will be too weak to survive. Adaptation to being more dependant on technology and crappy medical drugs. Wow big improvments. People can't even think for themselves enough to resist the ever more dominating and controling govt.

[Sonart]

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Quote by: another day Apparently you didn't outgrow the need to think getting involved in petty arguments over meaningless drivel solves any problems. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.

It's all right... actually, you have a point. I just couldn't help myself... to have someone come in here and whine that the law doesn't allow him - a trained boxer, as it turns out - to punch out any smaller, weaker person that that he thinks deserves it.

Too friggin' much!

Quote by: another day As for pisceans argument that parents should beat their children to instill discipline, that has long been proven harmful.

I agree, but even if I accepted the conventional wisdom of spanking children, it's lightyears apart from a large, trained fighter punching out a grown man.... or woman. I can't visualize a "spanking" that could result in broken noses, jaws, teeth, skulls, concussions, brain damage or even death.

Quote by: Piscean The only evolution I can identify is you've learned to live in an artificial environment so when it collapses the mass majority will be too weak to survive.

Yep... from my artificially constructed home, to the sidewalks, to the stores, in my artificial car on the artificial streets, to my artificial job to banging on this artificial computer.

It's called civilization.

I escape to nature occassionally when I go surfing, but then that's on my artificially constructed surfboard, and usually protected by my artificial wetsuit.

If you'd prefer to live unencumbered by civilization, Piscean, by all means find an isolated cave - if you still can these days - and take up life with your flint spear.

Just stay off the Internet. You don't want to be catching any civilization cooties.

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[Piscean]

Just stay off the Internet. You don't want to be catching any civilization cooties.

Hahah! nice one;-) Dude i dont beat people to death and i certainly dont unload a full powered beatdown on somebody because i think they deserve it, i said o"put in their place" and you assume i mean beat to death or something to that effect, you've been jumping to conclusions about me since i started this thread !

[Piscean]

Also you dont adress my questions to you , you just label me , stamp me , judge me, create false scenarios about me and make jokes. It's getting hard to believe I'm talking to a 50 plus year old man. I'd expect this more from a teenager.

[Piscean]

And your friend another day chimes in with his irrelevant input after saying this is a pointless discussion, I guess maybe I should title my threads better if i want any kind of an intelligent debate. By what I've attracted here I'd say I've failed to do so.

[another day]

Quote by: Piscean Where did i say beat yer kid.

"m curious if how you feel the outa control youth with no discipline should be handled. To me their dad outa take em out back n teach em a little respect"

Now, I seriously doubt you meant that he should take them out back and give them a calm lesson in humanistic ethics.

What happened to Hitler isn't anything to do with what I'm talking about and if this is petty drabel or whatever, why are you chiming in with input that's clearly not well thought out?

Drivel.. the word is drivel.

And as with all big overgrown societies the only thing we are evolving toward is our destruction. But you go ahead and be a proud evolutionary specimen if that's what you think you are I don't wanna take it away from you.

Perhaps.. but not really. The past decade has been the inevitable shift towards reducing our harm to the environment and to sustaining our society. It's in its infancy, but the human culture IS evolving, and will eventually succeed in solving many of it's problems. The truth is, it's only the miracle of our civilized society that means you aren't shitting in a ditch, dying at age 40 with your teeth rotting out of your head.

he only eveolution I can identify is you've learned to live in an artificial environment so when it collapses the mass majority will be too weak to survive. Adaptation to being more dependant on technology and crappy medical drugs. Wow big improvments. People can't even think for themselves enough to resist the ever more dominating and controling govt.

Ahh, the typical "individualistic" complex of the modern man. I am, as are you, dependant on every other person on earth to survive. There is nothing wrong with that. It's how we have created such comfortable lives for ourselves. And yes, big improvements, like doubling our average lifespan. And people as a whole are thinking more for themselves in the past century then they ever have in human society. Sonart has a point when he says get off the internet. Your using the amazing and unbelievable technological creation of mankind, the internet, which has brought people together from halfway around the world, connected humanity like nothing in the history of planet, and is currently the budding foundation for the most potent tool of democracy and freedom of the people that there is. Technology will cure some of our ailments as well as cause them.

I'm guilty as you are of pining for a simpler time when we lived naturally off the fat of the land and such and such... Truth is, we romanticize this shit, but if you had really lived like for an extended time then you'd find it to be horrible and unpleasant, and full of suffering.

You are the idealistic one here, not me. Humanity will never be perfect. I don't expect that.

to have someone come in here and whine that the law doesn't allow him - a trained boxer, as it turns out - to punch out any smaller, weaker person that that he thinks deserves it. Too friggin' much!.

to be fair, you keep saying this, but you know that's not what he means. From what I gather, he doesn't like the way our society relies on the police and the courts to solve every dispute. I agree in a way. Its the difference between chasing a guy down who steals some ladys purse and calling the cops on your cell phone to come do it for you.

[Domino]

Citizen's arrests are allowed in almost every state. If a crime is in progress, detain the fellow by any means necessary.

The problem is when no real crime is committed, like, say, line-cutting. The trick is to instigate the cutter into committing a crime. Actively deny his purpose until he, say, threatens you, at which point you beat him down and call the cops (and don't forget to tell him, before you swing, that you're making a citizen's arrest: he might just leave).

[Piscean]

to be fair, you keep saying this, but you know that's not what he means. From what I gather, he doesn't like the way our society relies on the police and the courts to solve every dispute. I agree in a way. Its the difference between chasing a guy down who steals some ladys purse and calling the cops on your cell phone to come do it for you.

Thank you man, you just earned a bunch of my respect! He kept sayin I'm a trained fighter who likes to beat up little weak guys. I told him I got in the ring with pro heavyweight boxers to remind myself what it's like to be outclassed in a fight. I lost like I knew I would because I wasn't in my element at all. I had no boxing training and I still don't. I told him that to illustrate that I wasn't a coward since he had accused me of being one. He then twisted it around to say I was a highly trained fighter looking for people to beat up. Thank you for seeing through that and realizing that I'm just an idealist. I'm sorry for anything rude i may have said to you earlier as you seem to be someone intelligent to debate a topic with.

[Piscean]

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m curious if how you feel the outa control youth with no discipline should be handled. To me their dad outa take em out back n teach em a little respect" Now, I seriously doubt you meant that he should take them out back and give them a calm lesson in humanistic ethics.

Well, that would depend on the perticular scenario. If the dad teaches his boy discipline at an early age he probly wont have to do any more than explain a few things to him. If however this kid is already to the point of outa controll who better to use some force than his own father. I think a father should be more suitable to use force on his kid than the cops.

[Piscean]

I know I'd much rather get my butt kicked to get me back in line then loose my freedom and get a criminal record and court dates and attorney fees etc. I'd say my father and my fellow man failed me if they let me get outa control to the point that the law has to put me in the system and wreck my ability to get a good job, compromising the rest of my life etc. A few smacks upside the head along the way would have benn a kinder and less costly way to get some discipline as far as I'm concerned.