Would God dam America as a nation?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I'm not a literalist of the bible.

Not relevant.

I believe showing love and concern for others is most important and Americans have become much more giving, at least what I'm seeing, course I'm living in the south nowadays as opposed to growing up in the northeast. The northerners were a tad more selfish, but still they'd help you out when you were in need.

"All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," "there is none righteous," etc.

I think we have to strive to be like Jesus, and this would be perfection. I don't believe God actually expects us to be exactly like Him in all things cause we are mortal.

It is not God's expectation of perfection that makes anyone perfect, it's being perfect that makes one perfect. It is a really silly thing for you to suggest that a being of moral perfection that created moral beings in His image would not expect such beings to be morally perfect as He is.

I always took that as meaning false gods. He is saying not to have these gods before Him, so that could be leaving the door open to say astrology and some of that mumbo jumbo as long as God came first. There are things that can be very important, but God is always in the background. He's there. That's the main thing. I don't think it's all that complicated.

A false "god" is anything that is more important to you than God. If God is relegated to the background of your life, you are an idolater.

Yes, but usually I try to apologize. I don't use it literally, though, like God really damn someone, it's just an expression, and it's the context more than just the words to me. Now praying that God will curse someone, that might be vengeful, and God wouldn't like that.

Ah, I love how you try to justify yourself here and explain away the commandment.

I'm not getting into the rest of the commandments cause they are mostly all sins that are common amongst humans. They are sinful to committ, but God will forgive you for them if you are sorry. That doesn't mean you should do them, but sometimes there will be slipups. Honoring the mother and father is such an open-ended commandment, but murder or killing is pretty cut and dry, with exceptions such as war and self-defense.

So, you're going to try to excuse yourself by the old "Well, everybody does it" argument? By the way, "murder" and "killing" are not the same thing.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Technosoul The rest of your post did not directly answer the question concerning America. Would America (as it is right now) be a nation of goats or a nation of sheep?

America is a nation. I posted a quotation regarding the judgment of nations, indicating that all nations would be judged. That's all the answer you need.

Obama's preacher said that America would be dammed not blessed.

Given the kinds of things America's government has done, the legislation it has passed, etc., I'd be inclined to agree.

And so I wanted to find out if most religions say the same thing. Because Obama came under fire because of his relationship with that preacher (Rev Wright). The CNN reporters were shocked to hear that Obama's preacher and life long mentor would find fault with the motto "God bless America" and that he said God would damm America.

Well, I have a problem with "God bless America" too. There is only one nation on Earth with which God has ever chosen to have a relationship and that's Israel.

No one voted that God would bless us. A lot of people voted that God would damm us, and some voted "other" (whatever that might be?).

I'm inclined to agree with Obama's pastor on this one.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Tycoon The God of the bible is a selfish child. He demands complete and blind loyalty despite all the suffering He himself created.

Oh, and exactly what suffering is it that you think He created and who do you think you are to judge God?

The truth of the matter is that you have clear animosity toward God and people who believe in God.

[xyzer]

We should not lose sight of America as a noble experiment in a constitutionally limited, representative government. Long lasting and very stable due to a rule of law and equality.. God is proud of that.

What is true, however is that humans conduct the business of any government. And humans are fallible, corruptible and emotional Thus the collective actions of a nation can reflect their imperfections and be susceptible to criticism. God would surely understand that? After all we are still here..

[Chancellor]

Quote by: xyzer We should not lose sight of America as a noble experiment in a constitutionally limited, representative government. Long lasting and very stable due to a rule of law and equality..

And how many years did it take to achieve that so-called "equality" that still doesn't really exist? As for the so-called "rule of law," remind the idiots in Congress and the White House about it!

God is proud of that.

Don't count on it.

What is true, however is that humans conduct the business of any government. And humans are fallible, corruptible and emotional Thus the collective actions of a nation can reflect their imperfections and be susceptible to criticism. God would surely understand that? After all we are still here..

What a typical response! Why should God "understand" (as in cut us some slack)? The Creation has no right to demand that its Creator lower His standards or not hold the Creation responsible for meeting those standards.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Technosoul If God were to pass judgement on America as a nation would He be more likely to give us a passing grade or not? Would or high standards of morality be highly praised by a honest God, or would we be dammed and highly repremanded for our immorality?

Mixed bag, I believe. A lot of this depends upon "what really happened" too. I'm enough of a cynic to be sure a lot of recorded history really was written by "the winners" and that certain truths will probably be known. Of course then you have truths no one too many will never believe, What a sticky wicket.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Technosoul Would God dam America as a nation ? If God were to pass judgement on America as a nation would He be more likely to give us a passing grade or not ? Would or high standards of morality be highly praised by a honest God, or would we be dammed and highly repremanded for our immorality ?

I say, God would rather reprimand us.
Although, I am curious where God will find the "righteouss" guys. UFO ?

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Rainbow I say, God would rather reprimand us. Although, I am curious where God will find the "righteouss" guys. UFO ?

How about a righteous spanking? Or would too many crazies in this country actually enjoy that?

[Rainbow]

Masochists ? :-)))

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Compugasm

Hey, those viggies stole my words.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Chancellor America is a nation. I posted a quotation regarding the judgment of nations, indicating that all nations would be judged. That's all the answer you need. Given the kinds of things America's government has done, the legislation it has passed, etc., I'd be inclined to agree. Well, I have a problem with "God bless America" too. There is only one nation on Earth with which God has ever chosen to have a relationship and that's Israel. I'm inclined to agree with Obama's pastor on this one.

But God no longer passes judgement on people.

God is like that rain, which falls on everyone the same, without discrimination that is based on morality, God is like the sun, which shines on everyone the same , without discrimination based on morality, therefore be as perfect as God is perfect and judge not least you be judged.

He should pick them, they created that Concept of God with their writings.

But this is what happens when you have a canidate that mixes religion and politcs in the same pot.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Chancellor It is not God's expectation of perfection that makes anyone perfect, it's being perfect that makes one perfect. It is a really silly thing for you to suggest that a being of moral perfection that created moral beings in His image would not expect such beings to be morally perfect as He is.

He can expect it, but so far it hasn't happened. Since we can sin we aren't exactly the same as God.

A false "god" is anything that is more important to you than God. If God is relegated to the background of your life, you are an idolater.

I think for most people who believe in God, He's up front. They might love a lot of things a great deal, but I think God's on their mind in there somewhere.

Ah, I love how you try to justify yourself here and explain away the commandment.

I realize taking the name in vain has various meanings, but the really big sin would be cursing someone with God's name, and meaning for harm to come to them. That's my judgment of it. You can say "Geez", "darn", and all the variations, but you aren't meaning them in a literal sense, it's what you mean that will get you in trouble.

So, you're going to try to excuse yourself by the old "Well, everybody does it" argument? By the way, "murder" and "killing" are not the same thing.

No, but not every instance has the same intent.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Marilyn Monroe I'd say He'd praise us because overall we're pretty good. Can't expect perfection cause we ain't in heaven yet.

I am not sure, we might be doomed because Dr Death is running for a seat in Congress.

Dr. Death Kevorkian plans to run for Congress | Politics | Reuters

Hmm? Congressman Dr Death.

Well, he has nothing else to do now that he is out of prison for murdering people. ( or aiding them?) .

Mercy be.

[gela]

godhatesamerica.com

[Technosoul]

Quote by: gela godhatesamerica.com

That is an odd weblink. I guess it takes all kinds of people (whatever that means?).

The blessings are winning out over the dammations, in the poll (at this moment as I type ).

Should we link Obama to Rev Wright and then link them both to that gay group? Hmm? More mud for Obama to wade through.

Or has religion devided into two religions?

The religion of the underdogs and the religion of the upper-class dogs.

Or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Technosoul That is an odd weblink. I guess it takes all kinds of people (whatever that means?). The blessings are winning out over the dammations, in the poll (at this moment as I type ). Should we link Obama to Rev Wright and then link them both to that gay group? Hmm? More mud for Obama to wade through. Or has religion devided into two religions? The religion of the underdogs and the religion of the upper-class dogs. Or am I just barking up the wrong tree?

Isn't that Fred Phelps site? It's blocked on this computer. If it is... what a whack job. Protesting at soldiers funerals and claiming they died because God is punishing us for not behaving towards to Gays more like those who nail them to fences or chop their heads off?

To say Fred has issues is beyond just understatement.

Now there's a true "God damn America" person. I understand the point the Rev was trying to make, although he didn't make it clear enough to prevent him being compared to someone like Phelps through soundbites. I'm sure he never knew how they'd be used. That really sucks.

[ChaChynga]

He's judging us now.

America and Britain and France and Germany among some others are Israel of Scripture. They are going through tribulations, and she will eventually in the end, those that are HIS, be with Him in Yah's kingdom. The rest of the ones who don't make it will be removed as in the day's of Noe.

The Israel of OT and the America of the NOW are the same animal.