Pro-Israel evangelical leader John Hagee & McCain

[freedom13]

Pro-Israel evangelical leader endorses McCain

Pro-Israel evangelical leader endorses McCain | Politics | Reuters SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain won the endorsement of Texas evangelical leader John Hagee on Wednesday, which could boost his standing among religious conservatives who have been reluctant to embrace the likely nominee. Hagee, who heads a 19,000-member church in San Antonio, is best known for his outspoken support of Israel and writings on the Middle East, where he envisions a blood-soaked clash between East and West leading to the return of Jesus Christ. "I'm very honored by Pastor John Hagee's endorsement today," McCain said at a news conference. "He has been the staunchest leader of our Christian evangelical movement in many areas, but especially, most especially, his close ties and advocacy for the freedom and independence of the state of Israel." Hagee, standing beside the candidate, said he admired McCain's pro-Israel stance, commitment to nominate conservative judges and opposition to abortion. "Victory is within our grasp because John McCain knows it's never wrong to do the right thing," Hagee said. Christian conservatives are an important part of the Republican base, but many have so far been reluctant to support the Arizona senator. Coast-to-coast primary victories on February 5 made McCain the all-but-certain Republican nominee, but many evangelicals continue to support rival Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher and former Arkansas governor. Several conservative Christian leaders have said they will not vote for McCain in November if he is the nominee. McCain's support for the Iraq war and fierce criticism of Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won praise from Hagee, who has brought thousands of evangelical Christians to Washington to lobby on Israel's behalf.

John Hagee and the Rapture

Rapture Rapture of God's Church John Hagee believes in the concept of Pre-tribulation Rapture in which all of God's elected people both dead and alive will rise up into heaven and meet Jesus. He believes that "the trumpet will sound...the Lord will descend from heaven...the dead will rise...the living will meet the Lord in the clouds" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-18). Hagee also states that "...the trumpet will sound...the dead will be raised incorruptible (imperishible)...all shall be changed...." (1 Corinthians 15:51-52). Hagee believes that the Rapture is intended to serve as an escape for the elect from the Tribulation and the final destruction of the world. It should be noted that these passages do not explicitly state that the "elect" will be the only ones that will join Jesus in heaven. Also the time of this supposed "Rapture" is never clearly stated. His assumptions of a pre-tribulation Rapture seem to be based on his own hopeful wishes. John Hagee and The Messiah Millennial Kingdom & Final Defeat of Satan Hagee claims that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, will return from heaven, rule from Jerusalem and the people of God "will come to life and reign with Christ for a thousand years" (Rev. 20:4-6). Hagee defines the Millennium as the, "thousand year reign of God upon the earth." Hagee says that during this time Israel will have no reason to fear her enemies and "never again shall it be doomed to destruction; Jerusalem shall abide in security" (Zech. 14:9-11). After this period, "Satan will be released...and will be thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were" (Rev. 20:7-10).

What do you good people think about the predictions of John Hagee with his support for John McCain and the Iraq war?

[Jack]

I suspect he's only backing McCain because McCain's the apparent Republican nominee and all these rich, influential "religious" leaders are going to line up to get in bed with the candidate they hope will be the heir to the Bush White House. It's basic political influence peddling. These theist fat-cats ought to have to register as lobbyists.

As to his anticipation of the destruction of humanity, he's not alone in that inhumane outlook. It's simply a part of his mythological mindset.

[HelioPrime]

So the former pastor, Jeremiah Wright from the Trinity United Church of Christ was a fat cat republican supporter?

I think you should be more specific. Not every religious person and leader is a Bush supporter.

[phoenix_fire]

Indeed. That guy had far more influence over Obama than Hagee has over McCain. And that would have continued with (I think) Obama knowing exactly what he is if his views hadn't been publicized. It may still in private.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Isherwood I suspect he's only backing McCain because McCain's the apparent Republican nominee and all these rich, influential "religious" leaders are going to line up to get in bed with the candidate they hope will be the heir to the Bush White House. It's basic political influence peddling. These theist fat-cats ought to have to register as lobbyists. As to his anticipation of the destruction of humanity, he's not alone in that inhumane outlook. It's simply a part of his mythological mindset.

First off McCain and Bush are very different, so your leftist attack on McCain is very disingenious.

Second, they are lining up with him because of the what the Democrats are offering and seeking. McCain knows the Christian right will line-up for him come the generals, simply because they know what Obama and Clinton will do to social conservatism!

[freedom13]

Quote by: Isherwood I suspect he's only backing McCain because McCain's the apparent Republican nominee and all these rich, influential "religious" leaders are going to line up to get in bed with the candidate they hope will be the heir to the Bush White House. It's basic political influence peddling. These theist fat-cats ought to have to register as lobbyists. As to his anticipation of the destruction of humanity, he's not alone in that inhumane outlook. It's simply a part of his mythological mindset.

Let's hope for humanity’s sake, that religious people of America and others don’t take his mythological mindset literally.

[phoenix_fire]

That's pretty melodramatic. I'm waiting for the organ music in the background.

It's pretty basic election 101 stuff that during primaries, candidates have to appeal to the radical base, and during general elections, they try to shoot toward the center. When they actually get elected, they do nice things for the base, but it rarely results in any legislation for them. The Clintons did/are doing it, McCain is probably doing it...Obama might actually stick through with pork for the radical base, and that worries me more than a little.

[freedom13]

Perhaps, the Republican presidential candidate John McCain won the endorsement from the antichrist John Hagee.

John Hagee The Heretic: “Jesus did not come to be the Messiah” « True Discernment John Hagee The Heretic: “Jesus did not come to be the Messiah” October 19, 2007 by John From Sola Dei Gloria: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 2:22 I saw mention of his book, In Defense of Israel, and the comments by John Hagee around the internet today, and went searching for the clip in which he made some ’supposed’ statements. I say supposed because I had to hear it for myself… -Jesus did not come to Earth to BE the Messiah. -Jesus refused by word and deed to be the Messiah. -The Jews cannot be blamed for not accepting what was never offered. After finding a clip and hearing the man myself, the only thing I can say is he is now a heretic in my book:

[loser]

John Hagee, like most evangelicals, is lost and confused when it comes to scripture. As far as his support for McCain, well duh-uh, who else could he support?

Hagee, standing beside the candidate, said he admired McCain's pro-Israel stance, commitment to nominate conservative judges and opposition to abortion.

Me too!

Coast-to-coast primary victories on February 5 made McCain the all-but-certain Republican nominee, but many evangelicals continue to support rival Mike Huckabee, a Baptist preacher and former Arkansas governor.

Huckabee was a great choice but it's not happening, is it?

It should be noted that these passages do not explicitly state that the "elect" will be the only ones that will join Jesus in heaven.

They'll be joining Him on Earth, not in Heaven.

Also the time of this supposed "Rapture" is never clearly stated.

But it is (the resurrection, that is).

His assumptions of a pre-tribulation Rapture seem to be based on his own hopeful wishes.

That and misunderstanding. The tribulation is man-made and is different from God's judgment. Christians, like all humans alive at that time, will go through the tribulation. It's God's judgment that they won't have to face.

Hagee claims that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, will return from heaven, rule from Jerusalem and the people of God "will come to life and reign with Christ for a thousand years" (Rev. 20:4-6). Hagee defines the Millennium as the, "thousand year reign of God upon the earth." Hagee says that during this time Israel will have no reason to fear her enemies and "never again shall it be doomed to destruction; Jerusalem shall abide in security" (Zech. 14:9-11). After this period, "Satan will be released...and will be thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet were" (Rev. 20:7-10).

He got all of that right!

As to his anticipation of the destruction of humanity, he's not alone in that inhumane outlook.

Humans killing humans can hardly be called inhuman, now can it?

I suspect he's only backing McCain because McCain's the apparent Republican nominee and all these rich, influential "religious" leaders are going to line up to get in bed with the candidate they hope will be the heir to the Bush White House.

That and possibly the fact that the other choices are as ungodly as one would expect.

So the former pastor, Jeremiah Wright from the Trinity United Church of Christ was a fat cat republican supporter?

No, and remember that you heard it here first: It's just a matter of time before JW converts to Islam.

Let's hope for humanity’s sake, that religious people of America and others don’t take his mythological mindset literally

For the sake of humanity, let's hope that they do. Of course, no matter. Humans will kill one another regardless of all the warnings.

As far as the 'heretic Hagee' goes, I am sure that he will be revising his statement. What he was trying to convey is that Jesus did not come to rule (as Messiah) the first time but that He will come again to rule as Messiah the second time (as your post #1 above confirms):

"Hagee claims that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, will return from heaven, rule from Jerusalem and the people of God "will come to life and reign with Christ for a thousand years" (Rev. 20:4-6). Hagee defines the Millennium as the, "thousand year reign of God upon the earth."

[Tycoon]

What do you good people think about the predictions of John Hagee with his support for John McCain and the Iraq war?

I think this is good proof that idiots tend to congregate.

[freedom13]

John McCain's embrace Pastor John Hagee, who have a history of anti-Catholicism.
YouTube - TPMtv: McCain Can't Quit John Hagee

McCain Pursued Hagee .....

Blogs: Bruce Wilson | AlterNet As someone who was over a year ago covering McCain's snuffling after the power that issues from John Hagee & his fundament I feel a special glee that pastor Hagee has opted to reopen the controversy, over his endorsement of McCain, by getting interviewed by a New York Times Magazine reporter concerning Hagee's views on gays, the Catholic Church and other hot-button positions. It's like watching nude mud wrestling, while a mob tries to catch a greased pig, at a monster truck rally.

[phoenix_fire]

I don't see how that proves anything. And even if the momentous authority of some random blog could be accepted, I would still refer you back to my earlier post (#7).

[GHook93]

Quote by: phoenix_fire I don't see how that proves anything. And even if the momentous authority of some random blog could be accepted, I would still refer you back to my earlier post (#7).

What this is a poor attempt of doing is countering the Rev. "Racist" Wright's impact on Obama. Yet this is nothing less than a inaccurate connection:
(1) This is an endorsement, which is a unilateral move from the endorsing party. Obama was endorsed by arguably the most racist and anti-american group in America- The New Black Panther Party.
(2) McCain doesn't attend Hagee's church nor has he decided to raise his children off Hagee's leatures.
(3) McCain didn't sit idly by for 20 years while his pastor, and self-proclaimed mentor, went on anti-american, anti-white and anti-semitic triades. Yet Obama did. Obama is now having problems with the church, because it is hurting him politically.
(4) McCain's Church (which isn't Hagee's) has never been involved with the highly racist Farahkan. Yet Obama's has.
(5) McCain (or Hagee's) Church has not endorsed a terrorist organization - Hamas - on its website.

There is a huge difference and this is a poor leftist counter-attack.

[freedom13]

Quote by: GHook93 What this is a poor attempt of doing is countering the Rev. "Racist" Wright's impact on Obama. Yet this is nothing less than a inaccurate connection: (1) This is an endorsement, which is a unilateral move from the endorsing party. Obama was endorsed by arguably the most racist and anti-american group in America- The New Black Panther Party. (2) McCain doesn't attend Hagee's church nor has he decided to raise his children off Hagee's leatures. (3) McCain didn't sit idly by for 20 years while his pastor, and self-proclaimed mentor, went on anti-american, anti-white and anti-semitic triades. Yet Obama did. Obama is now having problems with the church, because it is hurting him politically. (4) McCain's Church (which isn't Hagee's) has never been involved with the highly racist Farahkan. Yet Obama's has. (5) McCain (or Hagee's) Church has not endorsed a terrorist organization - Hamas - on its website. There is a huge difference and this is a poor leftist counter-attack.

Rev. Jeremiah Wright.... What you don't see on FOX!
YouTube - Rev. Jeremiah Wright.... What you don't see on FOX!

Rev. Jeremiah Wright Controversy Sermons

Jeremiah Wright - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia During 2008 Presidential campaign, Wright's alleged beliefs and previous remarks became heavily scrutinized, due to his relationship with Democratic Presidential candidate Barack Obama. Wright had officiated at Obama's marriage, baptized his children, and Obama was a member of the congregation of the Trinity United Church of Christ for over 20 years. Critics have accused Wright of using Black liberation theology to promote black separatism. Wright has rejected this notion by saying that "The African-centered point of view does not assume superiority, nor does it assume separatism. It assumes Africans speaking for themselves as subjects in history, not objects in history." Wright once stated that Zionism has an element of "white racism", but the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Wright. In March 2008, ABC News caused a public uproar by broadcasting spliced sound bites from a sermon that Wright gave shortly after September 11, 2001, in which Wright quoted Edward Peck, former U.S. Chief of Mission in Iraq, former deputy director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under the Reagan Administration and former U.S. Ambassador to a number of countries, as allegedly having said: "We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye...and now we are indignant, because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought back into our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost." Wright went on state: "Violence begets violence. Hatred begets hatred. And terrorism begets terrorism. A white ambassador said that y’all, not a black militant. Not a reverend who preaches about racism. An ambassador whose eyes are wide open and who is trying to get us to wake up and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised. The ambassador said the people we have wounded don’t have the military capability we have. But they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them. And we need to come to grips with that." In other sermons, he said, "The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color" and "the government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people...God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme". Wright's views on HIV and the drug trade reflects popular African American beliefs in AIDS origins theories and drug prevelance theories. A Rand Corporation study stated, "a significant proportion of African Americans embrace the theory that government scientists created the disease to control or wipe out their communities," and a New York Times/WCBS-TV News poll conducted in New York found that a quarter of the blacks said that the government "deliberately makes sure that drugs are easily available in poor black neighborhoods in order to harm black people" and a third said that might possibly be true. Mission to Libya

[grandpa]

Quote by: freedom13 Rev. Jeremiah Wright.... What you don't see on FOX!

This is rather humorous. Wright has been put forward as this candidate's absolute mentor, so it is assumed that Wright's statements are Obama's. That's obviously not necessarily true. By that standard, you might as well say that Wright perfectly embodies Christian teachings, or perhaps even supercedes them.

Wright: "Didn't you get the memo, JC? I'm in charge now!"

It's just another election season witch-hunt.

Grandpa h.

[phoenix_fire]

Well, that's ten minutes that I won't ever get back. I doesn't matter who said it first. The fact that Wright was not only citing it but agreeing with it and taking it even further does not, to me, seem to add any different context to the statements. If one is going to go by what he's preaching, then we should stop all anti-terrorism efforts and let what's going to happen happen because we deserve it. And that's fine for him to say and him to personally believe, but the problem is that it is also the instruction received by someone who could potentially be the president of this country. And I personally believe that the president of this country should have the country's best interests in the fore of his mind.

Now, you're probably thinking that I'm a Christian and that I should believe in turning the other cheek. And I do, for myself. But it would be tyrannical to expect that of everyone. Would you, for instance, volunteer your child to appease the anger of other nations? And we haven't even begun the discussion of whether the anger and the statements made by Mr. Wright were legitimate.

But all that aside, the government exists to protect its people and to protect the values and way of life enshrined in its constitution. That means that whether or not the attacks on Americans were in any way "justified" (which is basically what Wright is saying, and it grates on my nerves) the government still has a responsibility to protect its people from "retribution". The government has a mandate to perpetuate itself, not to allow every one person who feels they have a grievance to destabilize the nation with violence. The government should by its very nature protect itself and its people, and if you don't believe that, you have no business running it.

[freedom13]

(4) McCain's Church (which isn't Hagee's) has never been involved with the highly racist Farahkan. Yet Obama's has.

Well, from my understanding of Farrakhan, he is a kind of person that point out racism in America and around the world. Then white American’s media twisted his words around of being a racist or anti-Semitic. Yes, it’s true that he indicated that some wicked “white and black Americans” are evil or devils. Farrakhan action is for black people and the poor condition of others. Therefore, Farrakhan is against America’s racist and injustice system and government.

Louis Farrakhan backs Obama for president

Louis Farrakhan backs Obama for president at Nation of Islam convention in Chicago -- chicagotribune.com Farrakhan, 74, the longtime leader of the Nation of Islam, said the war in Iraq, the nation's faltering economy and the increased number of natural disasters were signs of "a nation in peril." He said those problems provide the broader context for Obama's rise. "We are witnessing the phenomenal rise of a man of color in a country that has persecuted us because of our color," Farrakhan told the crowd of nearly 20,000 gathered at McCormick Place.

Farrakhan Praises Obama as ‘Hope of Entire World’

Farrakhan Praises Obama as ‘Hope of Entire World’ - America’s Election HQ CHICAGO — In his first major public address since a cancer crisis, Nation of Islam Minister Louis Farrakhan said that presidential candidate Barack Obama is the “hope of the entire world” that the U.S. will change for the better. The 74-year-old Farrakhan, former leader of the black Muslim group, never endorsed Obama outright, but spent much of his nearly two-hour speech Sunday to an estimated crowd of 20,000 people praising the Illinois senator. “This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better,” he said. “This young man is capturing audiences of black and brown and red and yellow. If you look at Barack Obama’s audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed.” Farrakhan compared Obama to the religion’s founder, Fard Muhammad, who also had a white mother and black father. “A black man with a white mother became a savior to us,” he told the crowd of mostly followers. “A black man with a white mother could turn out to be one who can lift America from her fall.” Farrakhan also leveled small jabs at Hillary Rodham Clinton, Obama’s rival for the Democratic nomination, suggesting that she represents the politics of the past and has been engaging in dirty politics. Farrakhan rebuilt the Nation of Islam, which promotes black empowerment and nationalism, in the late 1970s after W.D. Mohammed, the son of longtime leader Elijah Mohammed, moved his followers toward mainstream Islam. In recent years, however, officials with the Nation of Islam have promoted unity and tolerance among religions. Farrakhan now often quotes the texts of other religions, such as the Bible, in his speeches.

[GHook93]

Quote by: freedom13 Rev. Jeremiah Wright.... What you don't see on FOX! YouTube - Rev. Jeremiah Wright.... What you don't see on FOX! Rev. Jeremiah Wright Controversy Sermons

LOL, I am glad to see the whole thing! It is proof that NOTHING was taken out of context. He called America terrorist! He demeaned all the people that were killed on 9/11! The only thing taken out of context, was the events this scumbag described. I thank you, because if anything you strengthened my views that he is a bigoted anti-american.

Wright once stated that Zionism has an element of "white racism", but the Anti-Defamation League says it has no evidence of any anti-Semitism by Wright.

Maybe the wikipedia author needs to do his homework!

Says 'I certainly wasn't in church' when defense of terror appeared on 'Pastor's Page' of bulletin Once again, Democrat presidential candidate Barack Obama is distancing himself from a statement made by his Chicago church and defending himself by saying he wasn't present when the statement was made. This time, Obama is reacting to a WND report of the church's decision to reprint a manifesto by a Hamas spokesman that defended terrorism as legitimate resistance, refused to recognize the right of Israel to exist and compared the terror group's official charter – which calls for the murder of Jews – to America's Declaration of Independence. The Hamas piece was published on the "Pastor's Page" of the Trinity United Church of Christ newsletter reserved for Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., whose anti-American, anti-Israel remarks landed Obama in hot water, prompting the presidential candidate to deliver a major race speech earlier this week. I have already condemned my former pastor's views on Israel in the strongest possible terms, and I certainly wasn't in church when that outrageously wrong Los Angeles Times piece was re-printed in the bulletin," Obama said.

Obama: 'Outrageously wrong' to reprint Hamas manifesto

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: freedom13 Well, from my understanding of Farrakhan, he is a kind of person that point out racism in America and around the world. Then white American’s media twisted his words around of being a racist or anti-Semitic. Yes, it’s true that he indicated that some wicked “white and black Americans” are evil or devils. Farrakhan action is for black people and the poor condition of others. Therefore, Farrakhan is against America’s racist and injustice system and government. Louis Farrakhan backs Obama for president Farrakhan Praises Obama as ‘Hope of Entire World’

Just to get this straight...you're defending Farrakhan!?!

[freedom13]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Just to get this straight...you're defending Farrakhan!?!

Am I defending Farrakhan from what?

What did Farrakhan actually said about some white people that make you wonder?