The Power of Prayer

[ItsDarts]

Quote by: Zhavric How about we pray for god to heal brave American sodiers turned amputees? ... wait.

Ahem... I mentioned this a few posts back....

Check here and notice I provided a link, not that it mattered though. It was totally ignored.

[grandpa]

Report: 32% Of Prayers Deflected Off Passing Satellites | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: ItsDarts Translation, You have no clue what your god will or can do. And here in lies the problem with belief in his existence.... An All Loving God would want more, not less of his creations to reach heaven, not hell. His current system (what ever that may be) will produce more people going to hell, so this leads me to believe he is not all loving. If he's All Powerful, he could make this world any way he wanted that would make getting to heaven more believeable and still leave us with free will to accept or reject his offer and an All Knowing god would know that the majority of todays people will not make it to heaven under todays conditions and with his power, its about time he reassures us that he exists just like he use to do 2000 to 3500 years ago. None of this is going on at the moment, therefore this leaves me with no rational reason to believe he exists as described in the Bible or the Quran. You see, according to your holy book, he use to let his existence be known all the time, unfortunately we can't verify this with anything other than this old book that was compiled by political means 300+ years after the claim of a messiah was made. Some pieces of this history of god was left in, some left out for reasons really only known by the compilers. How is this any different than us taking the next 300 years of news clips of the Virgin Mary sitings in Cheese sandwiches, wood panelings and highway over passes compiling these news clips and claiming these are "The Truth" and inspired videos of god message" We can throw in videos of David Koresh who claimed to be the second coming of Christ 300 years from now. After we do this, we should have 1000 years of peace before the crap hits the fan, right?

See what your problem is?

Your assuming you know what God wants or should do. Some church leaders claim they know what God's will is also.

[rez]

Quote by: lindsay7 I think God does interfere in things, but don't expect him to interfere because you want to 'test' him. It's arrogant to think that we have any authority over God. What right do we have to demand miracles?

Every time someone says a pray it becomes a "test". It is saying hey god please interfere with my life to make it "better". It only becomes a true test people jot down the date and time they said the prayer and consciously look for it to be answered. That is what gallo set up here.

Instead, what most individuals do is say a prayer, not remember specifically what they said and then like 10 days later despite all the bad things that happened to them, remember the one good thing and claim it was a gift from god.

Do you know what that is called lindsay? it is called superstition. It is equivalent to all the gamblers out there that think they have a lucky little troll that gives them good luck when they win money. Despite the fact they lose and still have the troll next to them, they still think it helps because it was there that one time when they won some money. This is what cave men use to do to explain how reality works, and people still do it today. Hopefully people lose this mentality....


and you know what HelioPrime, none of this certainly disproves anything about god or prayers, but it certainly puts Christianity and other religions in the same boat as all the other magical superstitious bullshit that exists in this world. And what kind of Christian wants to have magic that they think is real on the same level as the magic they think is not real?

[ItsDarts]

Quote by: HelioPrime See what your problem is? Your assuming you know what God wants or should do. Some church leaders claim they know what God's will is also.

I don't have a problem nor am I assuming anything. The attributes revealed to us in the alleged holy book tells us the qualities he has. These qualities have a meaning and unless someone changed the meaning without telling us, All loving, All knowing and All powerfull mean the same then as it does now. He's not living up to these qualities as we understand them and theists make up all sorts of lame excuses to cover this fact up. Some people buy these excuses, some (like myself) don't. We have absolutely no reason to accept the claims about your god over any other god, leaving only one logical conclusion, lack belief in any of them until enough evidence that the entire planted can agree upon. We all agree that we live on the planet earth, why can't we all agree on the creator? Lack of evidence, thats why.

[ItsDarts]

Quote by: grandpa Report: 32% Of Prayers Deflected Off Passing Satellites | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

That was hilarious!!! LOL