Atheists.. they go to Hell

[Muckraker]

Quote by: HelioPrime So your suggesting religion is trying to suppose itself greater than some scientific thought? Well that is true for some fundamentalist when dealing with creationism perhaps but most of what christianity is a belief system. Atheists like to claim they have no belief system so how can religion be offering a conflicting belief? Faith offers a mother something to cling to when she loses a child, offers an old dying man a happiness that his death is only a beginning, and many other wonders in basic life. Is this threatening to science somehow? And what does science offer than these thoughts are supplanting? Science has not brought anyone back from the dead and can only offer answers to specific questions related to events and happenings we can currently measure. Belief is separate from science yet science continually tries to interject itself into belief. Science says it has no evidence for an afterlife so an afterlife must not exist. Thats not fact, thats willful manipulation of information, and molding people to accept information science can't even study as fact.

I think you have it reversed. Science couldn't be concerned any less with religious belief. It is religious belief that feels "attacked" by science since basic scientific concepts directly contradict vast portions of religious tenets.

Using my Moh's Hardness example, science states that there is no harder mineral than diamond on Earth. The person claiming to possess a mineral harder than diamond feels attacked by such a statement when in reality, the statement is merely the culmination of scientific evidence up to that point. Science, though, is not attacked by the person claiming to possess the mineral harder than diamond because there is no proof of such a mineral's existence.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Muckraker I think you have it reversed. Science couldn't be concerned any less with religious belief. It is religious belief that feels "attacked" by science since basic scientific concepts directly contradict vast portions of religious tenets. Using my Moh's Hardness example, science states that there is no harder mineral than diamond on Earth. The person claiming to possess a mineral harder than diamond feels attacked by such a statement when in reality, the statement is merely the culmination of scientific evidence up to that point. Science, though, is not attacked by the person claiming to possess the mineral harder than diamond because there is no proof of such a mineral's existence.

Yet your using example of science attacked by religion to demonstrate your problem with religion.

It's a common attack method. You make up an example of X person trying to use a belief instead of a fact in a given situation. Then you use that as case in point for religion being a load of crap.

I think its atheists who feel more attacked, since its your "camp" so to speak that makes up extreme examples such as using faith to fix a car. Had anyone tried to every tell you to pray for your broken car? Then why the need to continually bring up the subject.

[Jack]

I think its atheists who feel more attacked

How can atheists feel threatened by theists? Our position is that theists have not supported their contentions with irrefutable evidence. The only way theists can "attack" that position is to provide the evidence.

Here's a good example of a believer attempting to challenge an atheist and the outcome. The Great Tantra Challenge

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Isherwood How can atheists feel threatened by theists?

It happens all the time.

The simple fact people place belief in something not testable by science is somehow threatening because many of your comrades (not specifically you) will use extreme example to show when faith attempts to take the place of sound science.

Those extreme examples are then universally applied by atheists as to why in your view it is follow to hold beliefs.

[Sonart]

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It's the other way around, Helio...

The simple fact people place belief in something that contradicts ancient religious dogma is somehow threatening to the majority who have blind faith in that dogma, and who therefore feel compelled to attack and condemn those people and, whenever possible, shun them from being equal participants in their own society.

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." -- President of the United States, George H.W. Bush

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[Muckraker]

Quote by: HelioPrime It happens all the time. The simple fact people place belief in something not testable by science is somehow threatening because many of your comrades (not specifically you) will use extreme example to show when faith attempts to take the place of sound science. Those extreme examples are then universally applied by atheists as to why in your view it is follow to hold beliefs.

Responding to something does not indicate that an atheist feels threatened by the topic at hand.

In a debate forum, you are going to get opposing responses simply because a thread is there. It doesn't matter what you are talking about. You could say "I like cheese" and you would have a slew of posts convincing you why are are wrong.

In a non-argumentative setting, you could state something like "things happen for a reason" when you find a $10 bill in the street and I am standing nearby. Regardless of whether I knew you or not, I would not make any comment about your statement. You can believe whatever you want in that non-argumentative setting and not be challenged on it. On the same note, if you had said "black people are stupid," I wouldn't challenge you either.

The only time I respond is in a debate forum setting or when one of your "beliefs" threatens something in my physical world. If your belief that evolution is an attack on creationism causes local school curriculum to change then I consider that open season to take your belief position down and make you look as unintelligent and hypocritical as possible in the process so as to make it more difficult for your position to have real world effects in the future.

[leegao]

Taking in the premise that Hell does exist

If God really does condemn the atheists because they are naturally curious and looks for empirical proof, then I'd rather go to Hell then go up to Heaven with the said God.

[ChaChynga]

I don't think about them, they are like air or water I just take for granted that there are mockers of truth, and that there are lovers of self and sin too much to want to change. I guess I'd say I think of them like the shit I flush down the toilet, it's a necessary evil to get through this life and I'm glad once my ass is clean and the trash is flushed away.

Chachynga

You said be honest, don't get mad at me for being so. Not like I'd care!

[Tycoon]

ChaChynga... you are the dumbest dumb person I have ever not met.

[Tycoon]

Yes ChaChynga, you sound like a very enlightened person. All atheists must be immoral because they do not mutter into the air to non-existant Gods.

[Maryjane]

Don't feed the troll Ty.

[Piscean]

I think part of the consequence of this new Christianity is that the religion as a whole will eventually wither away (as Hell has been instrumental to Christian thinking for centuries, and sudden dropping of pivotal concepts to a belief set in accordance with a shift in attitude is quite damaging to the security of an ideology) or become only nominally a religion (like Humanistic Judaism).


Ohh no, you mean the religious leaders who have done such a good job of taking money from the poor and keeping them in fear while they fund things like the crusaids where peoples intestines were pulled out and set afire while they were still alive to gain controll through fear are going to lose that controll of how "Christians" think now after all this time and abuse,,, how trajic it would be for some people to break free from the mind slavery theyre under, we can't have that!!

[Piscean]

I don't think about them, they are like air or water I just take for granted that there are mockers of truth, and that there are lovers of self and sin too much to want to change. I guess I'd say I think of them like the shit I flush down the toilet, it's a necessary evil to get through this life and I'm glad once my ass is clean and the trash is flushed away.

Chachynga

You said be honest, don't get mad at me for being so. Not like I'd care!


WOW WHAT A WONDERFUL HEART YOU HAVE, IM SURE GOD WANTS TO RECRUIT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD JUST LIKE YOU WHO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS...................................................................your complete lack of any spiritual charactor is laughable , come on go ahead and flame me, keep me laughing with your religious bitterness of heart.

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: Piscean WOW WHAT A WONDERFUL HEART YOU HAVE, IM SURE GOD WANTS TO RECRUIT ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD JUST LIKE YOU WHO CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS...................................................................

U know, I wouldn't doubt that Jesus has the same Idea.

You guys have NO truth to anything you say, these replys are just and example of your tiny thinking.

[ChaChynga]

Quote by: Tycoon ChaChynga... you are the dumbest dumb person I have ever not met.

when I take a shit next I will think of you

Flush

[Piscean]

Hahaha your killin me man with all yer big brilliant thinking and your turd fettish:-) keep it coming wise man HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

[Tycoon]

You guys have NO truth to anything you say, these replys are just and example of your tiny thinking.

Excuse me? Just because we have a little rational thinking and don't participate in the collective insanity of religion?

You're the one with an extremely inflated sense of religious superiority.

[Halofan48]

Excuse me? Just because we have a little rational thinking and don't participate in the collective insanity of religion? You're the one with an extremely inflated sense of religious superiority.

agreed.

[Voluntary]

Quote by: ChaChynga You guys have NO truth to anything you say, these replys are just and example of your tiny thinking.

If you make the claim that god, jesus, hell, or the spiritual world exists, then I expect you to back it up.

Making a claim and not supporting it, is being untruthful.

[leegao]

Quote by: Voluntary If you make the claim that god, jesus, hell, or the spiritual world exists, then I expect you to back it up. Making a claim and not supporting it, is being untruthful.

Oh don't waste your time, he's just going to reply:

God hates Jews and the "AntiChrists"

What more support do you need from a narcissist?