Atheists.. they go to Hell

[Baarst]

I'll tell you why atheists won't go t hell, it's because hell doesn't exist. One of atheisms biggest point's is evolution, we have found proof of evolution, we have no proof of what new spin from the church calls intelligent design...LOL, all through the history of religion they ask for their followers to have faith, what a joke, just give a thread of proof and you may interest me in creationism, if you can't back your ludicrous claims up with a scrap of proof then it's most likely a pile of steaming cow dung.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Morality Games That basically excludes everyone from going to Hell, since the mind-in-the-world works pretty mechanically even without mind-controlling machines. Ask yourself, how substantial is the difference between a particular cognitive reaction to the content of my posts and an electronic mandate from a mind control device? Both are types of control. The only differences are that one is direct and the other is indirect and one is passive (quiet and subtle) and the other dramatic (appears more terrifying and amazing).

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I guess I'm lost on that.

However my reaction to a post can vary. Reading a post doesn't predetermine how I will react. A mind control device that imitated or control chemical reactions in the brain would predetermine how I would react.

[Morality Games]

Quote by: HelioPrime ? I guess I'm lost on that. However my reaction to a post can vary. Reading a post doesn't predetermine how I will react. A mind control device that imitated or control chemical reactions in the brain would predetermine how I would react.

A chemical reaction is just a response to external stimulus. The reaction you just made to my post (question mark and everything) is necessarily the only one you were ever going to make upon reading my post in the position in space-time you were at upon doing so. Every occurence pertaining to you in that instant had conditioned you to respond in that way.

Or, more obviously, you do not (generally) freely generate your cognitions, they simply appear, you (sometimes) consider them, and then act on one -- the only one you can act on given the circumstances.

Or, put simply:

Mind Control Device > Chemical Reactions in Brain > Bodily Movement

Morality Game's Post > Chemical Reactions in Brain > Bodily Movement

[Baarst]

NO!, Atheists won't go to hell, because hell is total fiction, atheism has strong foundations in factual proof where as religion is centered on faith, it reminds me of a Family Guy episode where Peter is trying to convince congress that smoking is o.k. by saying "COME ON......COME ON", religion has no proof to back it up where as atheism is strongly supported by such factual events like evolution.

[Halofan48]

Quote by lindsay7 I think that everyone already knows Jesus inside. The bible says that we each have the Holy Spirit within us. So yeah, I think that if an unbeliever dies, they will come to know the truth in the afterlife. And a good person would call for Jesus.

So if you don't cal out to Jesus, because, lets say, you don't believe he was the son f a god, then you are a bad person? I know, you don't think atheists are bad people (from what i can tell anyway), but arguments makes it look like they are.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Morality Games Or, more obviously, you do not (generally) freely generate your cognitions, they simply appear, you (sometimes) consider them, and then act on one -- the only one you can act on given the circumstances. Or, put simply: Mind Control Device > Chemical Reactions in Brain > Bodily Movement Morality Game's Post > Chemical Reactions in Brain > Bodily Movement

Care to provide any direct proof that everything is based on conditioning and a response predetermined by set conditions in the brain?

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Halofan48 So if you don't cal out to Jesus, because, lets say, you don't believe he was the son f a god, then you are a bad person? I know, you don't think atheists are bad people (from what i can tell anyway), but arguments makes it look like they are.

Yeah i secretly think you're all horrible people and i hate you. even though i was an athiest my whole life until a few weeks ago, and all my friends are athiests.

i will never understand this athiest vs christian crap - this forum is nothing like how things are in real life. at least not where i'm from. maybe it's different in the United States, more divisive. But in Canada, no one cares.

anyways... enough of my rant... back on topic...

if a good person dies, and they don't believe in God or Jesus or have never heard of Jesus or whatever, the Holy Spirit inside them is going to help them out - they're going to feel an urge to pray to God.

Jesus would come to a good person. If they don't know him,
he would reveal himself to them. Jesus is the only way into heaven, but i do believe that a good person can learn of the Son of God in the afterlife.

God is love. He isn't cruel.

[Halofan48]

i will never understand this athiest vs christian crap - this forum is nothing like how things are in real life. at least not where i'm from. maybe it's different in the United States, more divisive. But in Canada, no one cares.

O your from Canada? Cool, which province/territory? anyway, this is off topic so i'll stop (but please fill me in )

Jesus would come to a good person. If they don't know him, he would reveal himself to them. Jesus is the only way into heaven, but i do believe that a good person can learn of the Son of God in the afterlife.

What if they're Islamic? Or Hindu? They'd pray to their gods, so does that mean they go to hell even if they were good people.

[lindsay7]

Quote by: Halofan48 O your from Canada? Cool, which province/territory? anyway, this is off topic so i'll stop (but please fill me in ) What if they're Islamic? Or Hindu? They'd pray to their gods, so does that mean they go to hell even if they were good people.

I'm from Ontario. Ever been?

If they are good people, I think they will come to know the Son of God in the afterlife.

[Halofan48]

I'm from Ontario. Ever been?

Im afraid not :(

anyway, back on topic.

[navyrkh]

I have a short attention span and couldn't get myself to read through all the comments. First off, God's Word is perfect and does not contradict itself. Actions are the physical evidence of one's faith or lack there of. There is no such thing as an atheist. Please consider the following: Your walking through the woods and come to a tree with a painted picture hanging on one of the trees. There are no footprints and no signiture to give you a clue as to who painted it. Now, in all your reasoning and logic, did a person paint the picture? How do you know? B/c it exist, correct? Same with creation. No such thing as an atheist only confused agnostics. The God of the Bible created everything. We sinned. When is the last time you lied to someone? The last time you had a sexual thought about someone you're not married to? (That's adultery, Matt. 5) Have you ever stolen anything no matter what the cost value? Have you ever hated someone? (Murder, Matt. 5) So, God will judge you when you die (no make ups immediately after you die!). He wouldn't even have to look at your "actions" to condemn you to Hell, only your perverted thought life. God is perfect. PERFECT, holy, righteous. We cannot even comprehend the actual meaning of these words. He cannot allow sin in His presence. If you were to die right now God would see you as a lying, thieving, adulterous murderer based off of what I just went through. IF God judged you this way (as He says He will) would that concern you even the least bit? Let's consider the idea that you know 10% of everything in the universe. Is it possible that in the other 90% of things you haven't come across yet that the God of the Bible actually does exist? I know He does and the fact that you have an interest in spiritual things could mean that He's trying to reach out to you before it's too late. 150,000 people die every day. Your not guranteed five more minutes and you want to squander your eternity because of foolish pride? The bottom line is: You don't CHOOSE God, He already chose you you're just in rebellion like I was. I dare you to pray to the God of the Bible sincerely (if that's possible) and ask Him to show Himself to you. We all deserve Hell. Our "acts" of "righteousness" are nothing but filthy rags to Him. Perfect Jesus (the unblemished lamb) was sacrificed BY God the Father on the cross (alter) for the sins of all those who are willing to REPENT (turn away from sin in your life) and TRUST in Jesus as the one and only Savior of your soul. Do that and you will understand what the song "Amazing Grace" is talking about. It's about being born-again (read John 3). Get on your knees and humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

[Halofan48]

I have a short attention span and couldn't get myself to read through all the comments. First off, God's Word is perfect and does not contradict itself. Actions are the physical evidence of one's faith or lack there of. There is no such thing as an atheist. Please consider the following: Your walking through the woods and come to a tree with a painted picture hanging on one of the trees. There are no footprints and no signiture to give you a clue as to who painted it. Now, in all your reasoning and logic, did a person paint the picture? How do you know? B/c it exist, correct? Same with creation. No such thing as an atheist only confused agnostics. The God of the Bible created everything. We sinned. When is the last time you lied to someone? The last time you had a sexual thought about someone you're not married to? (That's adultery, Matt. 5) Have you ever stolen anything no matter what the cost value? Have you ever hated someone? (Murder, Matt. 5) So, God will judge you when you die (no make ups immediately after you die!). He wouldn't even have to look at your "actions" to condemn you to Hell, only your perverted thought life. God is perfect. PERFECT, holy, righteous. We cannot even comprehend the actual meaning of these words. He cannot allow sin in His presence. If you were to die right now God would see you as a lying, thieving, adulterous murderer based off of what I just went through. IF God judged you this way (as He says He will) would that concern you even the least bit? Let's consider the idea that you know 10% of everything in the universe. Is it possible that in the other 90% of things you haven't come across yet that the God of the Bible actually does exist? I know He does and the fact that you have an interest in spiritual things could mean that He's trying to reach out to you before it's too late. 150,000 people die every day. Your not guranteed five more minutes and you want to squander your eternity because of foolish pride? The bottom line is: You don't CHOOSE God, He already chose you you're just in rebellion like I was. I dare you to pray to the God of the Bible sincerely (if that's possible) and ask Him to show Himself to you. We all deserve Hell. Our "acts" of "righteousness" are nothing but filthy rags to Him. Perfect Jesus (the unblemished lamb) was sacrificed BY God the Father on the cross (alter) for the sins of all those who are willing to REPENT (turn away from sin in your life) and TRUST in Jesus as the one and only Savior of your soul. Do that and you will understand what the song "Amazing Grace" is talking about. It's about being born-again (read John 3). Get on your knees and humble yourself in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.

Too tired to post right now. Where's Tycoon, he's gonna have a hay day with this post.

All I can say, is prepare for multiple arguments against what you said.

[JaneDoe321]

Wow, now I not only am an evil sinner, I don't even exist.

After a day like today, that seems like an acceptable proposition.

[Tycoon]

Too tired to post right now. Where's Tycoon, he's gonna have a hay day with this post.

First off, God's Word is perfect and does not contradict itself.

Do tell me when the last time you heard or saw God's word was. I personally don't put much stock in the bible written by men.

Same with creation. No such thing as an atheist only confused agnostics. The God of the Bible created everything.

Just because something exists and you don't know why doesn't mean that it was created by an invisible omnipotent and omniscient being. You just want it to be because then you have an answer to that which you do not understand.

God is perfect. PERFECT, holy, righteous.

Damn, he certainly did an imperfect job for such a perfect being. I mean, he did place the apple tree there knowing we would sin, right? Hmm... I think he deserves to be kicked out of office.

[Tycoon]

Is it possible that in the other 90% of things you haven't come across yet that the God of the Bible actually does exist?

Is it possible that there's a squirrel playing guitar on the top of the Empire States building just because there's nobody there to see it?

[Halofan48]

Damn, he certainly did an imperfect job for such a perfect being. I mean, he did place the apple tree there knowing we would sin, right? Hmm... I think he deserves to be kicked out of office.

The signs would read "Impeach God! (or ... Yahweh i think the name is?)

[Tycoon]

You know what, I don't have to waste my time picking apart this post. You see, you say all of this assuming that God exists. Well guess what, in all logic, he doesn't.


Now tell me, what proof is there that God exists? The only proof exists in scripture, written by men. All religions can back up their faulty beliefs with more of their faulty beliefs. They can't all be right, and there's no reason to assume that Christianity is any different.

Almost everything has a scientific explanation. The creation of the Earth has a perfectly sound scientific explanation that completely contradicts the Genesis area of the bible. Some people choose to ignore this contradicition and cling to their belief of God. If the very first part of the Bible is false, what reason is there to believe any of it is true?

Almost everybody at my school believes in God because they were brought up to believe in God. Not a single one of them can offer a shred of evidence as to God's existence. Religion is full of faulty reasoning, and many only continue to believe in God out of the fear that they will go to hell if they stop believing in him.

Hell doesn't exist. Hell is simply a human device used to condemn certain people and frighten others.

[Tycoon]

150,000 people die every day. Your not guranteed five more minutes and you want to squander your eternity because of foolish pride?

Do you remember before you were born? No. Because you had no physical being, and so no memory and no consciousness. After you lose your physical form (death) logic decrees that you return to such a state.

[navyrkh]

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Check out Interactive Bible Home Page www.bible.ca and explain to me how your "sound scientific explanation" can explain artifacts depicting fully "evolved" man living with "millions of years old" dinosaurs. Explain how a human leg still in a cowboy boot can be petrified. (You cannot see it because you are still dead in your rebellion towards God like I was) But try, please try, to comprehend why I would say what I did. The whole being born-again thing is actually real, that's the craziness of it all! I would of been the last one to believe it. Why would I give up partying and having sex with my girlfriend for years just so I can read the Bible and worship God? It doesn't make sense I know, but I actually have a personal relationship with the God of the universe. Ok. Now, I want to hear from you Bible scholars where the Bible contradicts itself. AND what is your science?

[navyrkh]

Now tell me, what proof is there that God exists?

I think the once atheist now theist, Antony Flew, would be more than happy to tell you that there is powerful evidence for God's existence. But, since Flew isn't here let's consider more logic: You walk down a street in a foreign town. You look up at a building. Stop. Question: How do you know someone made it? Because it exist, right? Yes, through all your wonderful logic and reasoning you have concluded beyond a shadow of a doubt that some intelligence must of built that building and that it did not come about by chance or random chemicals. It is the same with creation. It exist, there is order and design, therefore there must be a Intelligent Designer. (Notice how I haven't quoted any Scripture?)