Homosexuality in the View of a Christian

[Anmon]

Quote by: Matt W Indeed. People are now complaining because the English language is evolving? Please.

thats not evolving, thats pushing the terms of a minority into accepted practice for the majority, when it wasn't.

Why dont we just say poof or queer for homosexuals if its shorter words we need? Because its insulting.
As I feel being labeled straight, a gay culture idiom, originating in gay bars to describe anyone who wasn't 'bent' instead of heterosexual the proper terminology.

[gela]

poof and queer are deliberatly insulting.

Straight is just a word used to differentiate you from those who are gay.

There is no derogatory meaning behind it.

I honestly do not understand the problem.

[Shayalon]

Quote by: wyoguy Shayalon, I think your point is valid and my conscience is convicted. How would you recommend that I express the dangerous eternal and temporal consequences of pursuing this lifestyle? I have never been to a gay pride parade or equated any contemporary calamity with homosexuality. While I don't condone the actions of the quazi-religious zealots that perpetrate these types of hate-mongering, I likewise don't condone an openly homosexual media/Hollywood portraying themselves as anything but sexual deviants.

Man, you're good. You said all those horrible things and made me feel like it was a pleasure to read. And when I've reap my "eternal and temporal consequences" I hope I can get a stall next to yours...(And you just condoned those actions...while saying you didn't...you're just the same as they are...you try to dehumanize homosexuals by calling us "deviants." and that pretty much places you, in my mind, right there among those hate mongerers.

Oh...back to why you'll probably be in hell with me..

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

I Corinthians 6:9-10

So that means that men who are not masculine, people who drink, people who want things, people who go to parades and parties, and people who have sex WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF HAVING CHILDREN are to meet the same fate for the same reason.

Who among those who are typing about how gays are gonna spend eternity in hell are gonna be right there with us?

[Jack]

Quote by: Anmon Isherwood is there any need for the terms gay and straight? They are slang, made up and used by the homosexual community, like their beliefs on what they think is good for society, they are also trying to push this terminology into the main stream conscious as well. The correct way of identifying people of differing sexual persuasions, is homosexual and heterosexual.

I'm not bound by your rules, whether they be in how I choose to spend my Sundays or how I speak. Gay and straight are well understood terms outside the gay community in reference to sexual orientation. I will continue to use them just as the theists use terms irrelevant to non-believers as part of their lexicon.

[wyoguy]

Okay Shayalon... I'm gathering that your opinion is that when it comes to sex.... it's strictly put up and shut up. Any variance from the "norm" is A-Okay and to be condoned reguardless of how abhorant it may seem to each individual, personally. This is where you start formulating your well-worded reply about how it's nobody's business what happens between consenting adults and about how nobody is harmed by 2 people expressing their feelings physically, be they gay or straight. You could save yourself the trouble and forgo this line because everyone on this thread already knows otherwise. There's always consequences.

For future reference, you might not want to throw scripture at me. I'm well aware of how much I deserve eternal judgement and I'm also aware that my guilt only increases daily. The difference between us is that when God looks at you, He's going to see only your own works and your own righteousness. When He looks at me, He's going to see the perfection of His Son and (here's the kicker) I haven't done a blessed thing to deserve this. Even my belief is not of myself.

I chime in here and there but you should know I'm not singling out the homosexual community and just picking on them. It is a hot button topic just as abortion or war is and I have not only the right, but the responsibility to voice my opinion. If I didn't, you would have little else to do but pat each other on the back and congradulate yourselves for finally silencing those pesky fascist Christians.

If I wasn't here saying that it's wrong, who would? Would you be diligently searching scripture for any other reason than to try and refute and condemn me?

[Anmon]

Quote by: Isherwood I'm not bound by your rules, whether they be in how I choose to spend my Sundays or how I speak. Gay and straight are well understood terms outside the gay community in reference to sexual orientation. I will continue to use them just as the theists use terms irrelevant to non-believers as part of their lexicon.

I'm not concerned overmuch with your own usage of it,but the popularising of it outside the gay community where it doesn't really belong.

[Jack]

it doesn't really belong

It doesn't? According to whom? There's no gay ghetto anymore.

[Anmon]

According to the average person thats who, we are not really keen on being labeled with 'gay ghetto' slang for our preferred sexuality.

[wyoguy]

Quote by: Anmon According to the average person thats who, we are not really keen on being labeled with 'gay ghetto' slang for our preferred sexuality.

This is common. On either side of any issue, you're going to run into derogatory slang terms. It doesn't have anything to do with Christian/non-Christian or gay/straight. It has to do with civil/uncivil. But, mind you.... this is coming from a breeder.

[Halofan48]

funny, the first time i heard the the term gay and straight were from straight kids. And most seem to be fine with being called straight. I don't really care. Neither does anyone else at my school. Why, probably because its easier to say "i'm straight" rather than "i'm a heterosexual".

[Tycoon]

I'm not concerned overmuch with your own usage of it,but the popularising of it outside the gay community where it doesn't really belong.

I don't think anybody would agree with you there. More people use gay and straight than homosexual and heterosexual, and because of simple convenience, not because of any gay agenda.

[Morality Games]

Quote by: Anmon According to the average person thats who, we are not really keen on being labeled with 'gay ghetto' slang for our preferred sexuality.

Have you ever heard the saying, "If you must complain at all, make your first complaint on any subject your last complaint on that subject?"

It seems like you are determined to take offense (aka, you really, really want to be offended), as there are no negative connatations behind the word 'straight'.

For the record, being easily offended is an expression of weakness, not strength.

[Anmon]

=Morality Games;496375]Have you ever heard the saying, "If you must complain at all, make your first complaint on any subject your last complaint on that subject?" It's not in the Bible, but it should be.

Thanks I'll remember your golden pearls of wisdom next time a civil rights activist whines at me about discrimination.

It seems like you are determined to take offense (aka, you really, really want to), as there are no negative connatations behind the word 'straight'.

There are, its a gay slang word for heterosexuals,

[Anmon]

Quote by: Tycoon I don't think anybody would agree with you there. More people use gay and straight than homosexual and heterosexual, and because of simple convenience, not because of any gay agenda.

Most people actually use 'poof' or 'queer something' if you want the truth.
To describe someone who isn't, is to just to simply not label them that.

[Morality Games]

Thanks I'll remember your golden pearls of wisdom next time a civil rights activist whines at me about discrimination.

Resentment is another expression of weakness, probably the most psychologically dehabilitating one of all.

There are, its a gay slang word for heterosexuals

Words don't acquire negative connatations just by being slang. There has to be some real hatred and malice behind them, like the 'n' word -- that particular word has centuries of spite, bitterness, and cruelty riding behind it, so condemnation of that word makes more sense than condemning 'straight'. The very, absolute worst emotions riding behind 'straight' are playfulness and humor, which can only bother someone who takes things dead seriously or mistakes playfulness as meaning something hateful and sinister.

Homosexuals, in spite of their historical and contemporary misfortunes, have never been able to put much genuine malice into the word 'straight' in part because they haven't been able to divide themselves as completely from heterosexuals as people of different religions and races can divide themselves from each other; too many of their friends and family are heterosexual for them to feel at ease condemning the group. In contrast, people of different religions and races find it easier to divide themselves because there is typically less of a bond.

[gela]

Most people actually use 'poof' or 'queer something' if you want the truth. To describe someone who isn't, is to just to simply not label them that.

No they don't.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

Your a dying breed. I went to a performing arts school - it had alot more gay kids then most others.

The gay kids were popular, and the good singers were looked up to by the rest of the school. It was incredibly rare for me to hear any homophobic comments at all. No one in our generation has a problem with gays. We were raised to be tolerant.

[Tycoon]

Most people actually use 'poof' or 'queer something' if you want the truth. To describe someone who isn't, is to just to simply not label them that.

Do you ever get out of your house? People use the word gay a lot more than they use the word queer.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Tycoon Do you ever get out of your house? People use the word gay a lot more than they use the word queer.

Depends where you are, Tycoon. Rural Australia has somewhat different speech patterns to suburban USA....

[Jack]

And the only Americans who would comprehend what is meant by "poof" is someone who watches BBC productions on PBS.
There are times I wish more theists used the term "faggot" and every time they did, remembered how that term came to be applied to gays. It might just instill a bit of humility in their otherwise superior attitude.

[Maryjane]

lol... I thought poof was what you did when you left a chat room without saying goodbye.