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lindsay7 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:26 pm

Share International is a magazine published in many countries, and backed by the United Nations. Its Chief Editor, Benjamin Creme is a prophet for the 'Lord Maitreya' who he says is the coming Christ of all religions. He says that Maitreya will bring about world sharing and the redistribution of wealth *cough* *communism* *cough*, and world peace. He says that Maitreya will teach that we are all gods, and how to attain our 'godhood'.

He says that Jesus was just a prophet, and Maitreya is Christ. And that we are meant to be as gods, attain our own 'godhood'. This goes directly against the bible, we are NOT our 'own gods'. We are NOTHING without Jesus.

But he says those who interpret the bible literally are wrong and will be unwittingly "plunge(ing) the world into Chaos and war", implying that Christians could be held responsible for such repercussions.
Did you know that the belief that we are our 'own gods' is the core belief of Satanism? Literally, that is the teaching of that religion.

I can not post links on my first post. I will post links on my second post for you.

lindsay7 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:28 pm

What do you think..

Maitreya (Share International) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Share International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A Christian went to one of Benjamin Creme's talks and had this to report on it.. it's in three parts, I found it very interesting.

My Visit with Benjamin Creme... (Part 1, The Preparations)

freedom13 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:42 pm

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Did you know that the belief that we are our 'own gods' is the core belief of Satanism? Literally, that is the teaching of that religion.

Psalm 82: 6 - I said, “You are gods,
And all of you are sons of the Most High.

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?" (John 10:34)

JaneDoe321 · Mar 11, 2008, 11:49 pm

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Did you know that the belief that we are our 'own gods' is the core belief of Satanism? Literally, that is the teaching of that religion.

Which flavor of Satanism? There are several.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 12:18 am

Freedom13,
you can take two random phrases from the bible, but if you look at it as a whole, Jesus taught, and repeated over and over and over again, that the ONLY way to God was through HIM.

JaneDoe321,
It is the belief of satanism in general. if there is a group of satanists who dont believe that, they are in the minority when it comes to satanists. It is written in the satanist bible. just google own god satanism belief. you'll get lots of links saying the same thing

Court463 · Mar 12, 2008, 12:25 am

I'm unclear on something, The guy is preaching that you are your own gods. So does that mean we are in charge of our own destiny or literally we are all gods, because if it was the former there are lots of religons and philosphies that we have it in our own power to make our lives and change the world. So you'll have to clarify for me what exactly he is preaching.

nerdvincent · Mar 12, 2008, 12:28 am

LaVey's satanism is more like active atheism than worshipping Satan. So if he says Jesus is a prophet, it aint this kind of satanism. But then there is the "bloody sacrifice and black candles" type of satanism. But this guy seems too peace and love for that.
He just sounds like a casual guru, telling people to join if they want to be saved. A Jesus II, in other word.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 12:48 am

my objection to his preaching is that...

- he claims that Jesus was just a prophet, not the son of God.

- he claims that Maitreya is the real Christ.

- He teaches that we are our own gods, meaning that we don't need Jesus to be saved anyway. That we can attain our 'godhood', become gods, on our own. But this is a lie. We are not gods, we are fallible human beings, and Jesus specifically taught that the only way to God was through him.

- he says that those who believe the bible are wrong, and should be blamed for the 'chaos and war' of the world.

- the bible specifically speaks of an antichrist who will deceive many, and deny Jesus is the son of God. The antichrist will not deceive many by coming out and showing himself to be evil. He will lie, and bring peace. But when he gains control, he will attack Christians and all who refuse to worship him.

freedom13 · Mar 12, 2008, 12:58 am

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you can take two random phrases from the bible, but if you look at it as a whole, Jesus taught, and repeated over and over and over again, that the ONLY way to God was through HIM.

What is Jesus indicating when he stated: Ye are gods! (John 10:34)

nerdvincent · Mar 12, 2008, 01:17 am

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Jesus specifically taught that the only way to God was through him.

Every theistic sectar movements (religions) tell they are the only way to God. Creme and Jesus didn't invent the concept: 2 ways to God means that you can have only half of the potential followers, and thus only half of the power you can have over the world.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 01:47 am

Freedom13,

He was talking to the Jews who wanted to stone him for his claim to be the son of God. Jesus points out David's psalm, "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High'

by saying "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son?"

Jesus also said "I and the Father are one."

"I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

If we become as gods, it is through Jesus, there is no other way. But this is not the teaching of the prophet for Maitreya. He teaches that we are our own gods, equal to Jesus.

This is directly against the bible. We will never be equal to Jesus. Jesus and God are one. The Most High. We will never be the 'Most High'. We are sons of the Most High.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 01:52 am

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Every theistic sectar movements (religions) tell they are the only way to God. Creme and Jesus didn't invent the concept: 2 ways to God means that you can have only half of the potential followers, and thus only half of the power you can have over the world.

Then you have to make a choice, who you believe. Jesus Christ as is told in the bible, or the one who is also foretold in the bible. The antichrist, the wolf in sheeps clothing who will bring a facade of peace, but deny Jesus and attack all those who refuse to worship him.

zcbt3 · Mar 12, 2008, 02:27 am

Why does this man not have the right to voice his opinions and beliefs without being attacked? All forms of religions do this, you and your God are no different.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 02:39 am

zcbt3,

This is a debate forum, is it not? It's not unusual for one to express their opinion.

I don't mind people believing what they will. I believe in free choice and I don't attack people who believe differently than me!

The only reason I speak out against this Maitreya, is because it disturbs me that the 'prophet' Benjamin Creme is supported by the United Nations -- and that he speaks ill of Christians. Christians are already horribly persecuted and killed in so many countries in the world. This Maitreya worries me. And also, his parallels to the bibles description of the antichrist causes concern as well.

freedom13 · Mar 12, 2008, 02:44 am

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Freedom13,
If we become as gods, it is through Jesus, there is no other way. But this is not the teaching of the prophet for Maitreya. He teaches that we are our own gods, equal to Jesus.

This is directly against the bible. We will never be equal to Jesus. Jesus and God are one. The Most High. We will never be the 'Most High'. We are sons of the Most High.

John 14:12-17. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

nerdvincent · Mar 12, 2008, 02:54 am

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Freedom13,
If we become as gods, it is through Jesus, there is no other way. But this is not the teaching of the prophet for Maitreya. He teaches that we are our own gods, equal to Jesus.

This is directly against the bible. We will never be equal to Jesus. Jesus and God are one. The Most High. We will never be the 'Most High'. We are sons of the Most High.

I'm not an anti-christian or anything, I'm just giving you an advice: Volconvo isn't a place for sermon and preaching. Here Bible isn't considered to be more reliable than the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may the pasta be with you!) by about 3/4 of the debaters. So the part I quoted is quite worthless in a debate. It would just make this thread turn into a casual, endless atheist vs bible debate.

Have a nice debate

.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 02:56 am

Freedom13,

I don't think Jesus is saying there, that we can become greater or equal to the Most High!

Jesus says "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it."

^ The works that he says one can do if they believe in him, are through him. If they are through Jesus, how can they be done WITHOUT Jesus? They can't. Like he said before, ""I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

About the other quote you posted, yes the spirit of truth dwells in us, put there by God. It is there to help us. It does not make us equal to or greater than God !

nerdvincent · Mar 12, 2008, 02:58 am

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zcbt3,
And also, his parallels to the bibles description of the antichrist causes concern as well.

Well the Biblical description of the antichrist sounds more like Nietzsche than Creme. And we can't arrest him or something because he fits a vague descrition given by a book proven unreliable many times...

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 03:02 am

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I'm not an anti-christian or anything, I'm just giving you an advice: Volconvo isn't a place for sermon and preaching. Here Bible isn't considered to be more reliable than the Gospel of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (may the pasta be with you!) by about 3/4 of the debaters. So the part I quoted is quite worthless in a debate. It would just make this thread turn into a casual, endless atheist vs bible debate.

Have a nice debate

.

You are right, there is no point in doing an endless atheist vs bible debate. and i have no interest in doing that. My intentions were more along the lines of talking with other religious people about this new prophet and the teachings he proposes. I don't know if there are any other religious people here though.. perhaps not.

lindsay7 · Mar 12, 2008, 03:04 am

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Well the Biblical description of the antichrist sounds more like Nietzsche than Creme. And we can't arrest him or something because he fits a vague descrition given by a book proven unreliable many times...

I never said arrest him, nothing of the sort. I would just be happy if people didn't listen to him. Which is up to them, but I won't refrain from voicing my opinion on the matter.

I didnt mean the biblical description sounds like Creme. I meant it sounds like Maitreya

Mar 11, 2008, 11:26 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	Antichrist? Share International is a magazine published in many countries, and backed by the United Nations. Its Chief Editor, Benjamin Creme is a prophet for the 'Lord Maitreya' who he says is the coming Christ of all religions. He says that Maitreya will bring about world sharing and the redistribution of wealth cough communism cough, and world peace. He says that Maitreya will teach that we are all gods, and how to attain our 'godhood'. He says that Jesus was just a prophet, and Maitreya is Christ. And that we are meant to be as gods, attain our own 'godhood'. This goes directly against the bible, we are NOT our 'own gods'. We are NOTHING without Jesus. But he says those who interpret the bible literally are wrong and will be unwittingly "plunge(ing) the world into Chaos and war", implying that Christians could be held responsible for such repercussions. Did you know that the belief that we are our 'own gods' is the core belief of Satanism? Literally, that is the teaching of that religion. I can not post links on my first post. I will post links on my second post for you.

Mar 11, 2008, 11:28 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	What do you think.. Maitreya (Share International) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Share International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia A Christian went to one of Benjamin Creme's talks and had this to report on it.. it's in three parts, I found it very interesting. My Visit with Benjamin Creme... (Part 1, The Preparations)

Mar 12, 2008, 12:18 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	Freedom13, you can take two random phrases from the bible, but if you look at it as a whole, Jesus taught, and repeated over and over and over again, that the ONLY way to God was through HIM. JaneDoe321, It is the belief of satanism in general. if there is a group of satanists who dont believe that, they are in the minority when it comes to satanists. It is written in the satanist bible. just google own god satanism belief. you'll get lots of links saying the same thing

Mar 12, 2008, 12:25 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Court463 Molten Ash Posts: 101	I'm unclear on something, The guy is preaching that you are your own gods. So does that mean we are in charge of our own destiny or literally we are all gods, because if it was the former there are lots of religons and philosphies that we have it in our own power to make our lives and change the world. So you'll have to clarify for me what exactly he is preaching.

Mar 12, 2008, 12:28 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
nerdvincent NerdyHippieThing 3.1 Location: Who cares? Posts: 765	LaVey's satanism is more like active atheism than worshipping Satan. So if he says Jesus is a prophet, it aint this kind of satanism. But then there is the "bloody sacrifice and black candles" type of satanism. But this guy seems too peace and love for that. He just sounds like a casual guru, telling people to join if they want to be saved. A Jesus II, in other word.

Mar 12, 2008, 12:48 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	my objection to his preaching is that... - he claims that Jesus was just a prophet, not the son of God. - he claims that Maitreya is the real Christ. - He teaches that we are our own gods, meaning that we don't need Jesus to be saved anyway. That we can attain our 'godhood', become gods, on our own. But this is a lie. We are not gods, we are fallible human beings, and Jesus specifically taught that the only way to God was through him. - he says that those who believe the bible are wrong, and should be blamed for the 'chaos and war' of the world. - the bible specifically speaks of an antichrist who will deceive many, and deny Jesus is the son of God. The antichrist will not deceive many by coming out and showing himself to be evil. He will lie, and bring peace. But when he gains control, he will attack Christians and all who refuse to worship him.

Mar 12, 2008, 01:47 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	Freedom13, He was talking to the Jews who wanted to stone him for his claim to be the son of God. Jesus points out David's psalm, "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High' by saying "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken-- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son?" Jesus also said "I and the Father are one." "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." If we become as gods, it is through Jesus, there is no other way. But this is not the teaching of the prophet for Maitreya. He teaches that we are our own gods, equal to Jesus. This is directly against the bible. We will never be equal to Jesus. Jesus and God are one. The Most High. We will never be the 'Most High'. We are sons of the Most High.

Mar 12, 2008, 02:27 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
zcbt3 Sedimentary Rock Posts: 12	Why does this man not have the right to voice his opinions and beliefs without being attacked? All forms of religions do this, you and your God are no different.

Mar 12, 2008, 02:39 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	zcbt3, This is a debate forum, is it not? It's not unusual for one to express their opinion. I don't mind people believing what they will. I believe in free choice and I don't attack people who believe differently than me! The only reason I speak out against this Maitreya, is because it disturbs me that the 'prophet' Benjamin Creme is supported by the United Nations -- and that he speaks ill of Christians. Christians are already horribly persecuted and killed in so many countries in the world. This Maitreya worries me. And also, his parallels to the bibles description of the antichrist causes concern as well.

Mar 12, 2008, 02:56 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
lindsay7 Igneous Magma Posts: 207	Freedom13, I don't think Jesus is saying there, that we can become greater or equal to the Most High! Jesus says "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it." ^ The works that he says one can do if they believe in him, are through him. If they are through Jesus, how can they be done WITHOUT Jesus? They can't. Like he said before, ""I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." About the other quote you posted, yes the spirit of truth dwells in us, put there by God. It is there to help us. It does not make us equal to or greater than God !