Are Humans meant to expand beyond the Earth?

[RealRockingham]

Quote by: Compugasm I think a sea colony would be much better. I'm not discounting entirely the Mars colonization, but I don't get why living underwater has been pushed aside.

Because that doesn't attract governement funding(rolls eyes)

[Compugasm]

Come on, don't make me dig up all the government funded deep sea research programs. Do that yourself before you post.

[Court463]

Yes we have a 50 Billion dollar grant to a under water military installation in the South Pacific, hmm I wonder what kind of things they do there. And another one for a Base in the Mediteranean, hmmm so thats what our tax dollars have been doing, building us underwater resorts for our senators.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Court463 Another point is, Is there ethical concerns with Teraforming Mars. Meaning would it be wrong for Humans to physically change a planet so that we could live there.

Well I suppose we could ask Mars how it feels about that

[Walrus]

Monkey curiosity will always drive us to explore. I don’t think it is a question of whether we should explore beyond earth but whether we can explore beyond the solar system, it would seem that the distances may render that impossible ... but I hope not.

[Court463]

The only thing stopping us from litterly reaching from the stars, is our current technology, at this point we have no way to leave the Solar system, we need faster than light-speed ships or worm-holes to accomplish that, which brings up another good point, what will come first: the worm-hole or the interstellar space ship, like the starship Enterprise (star trek theme music plays)

[RealRockingham]

Quote by: Compugasm Come on, don't make me dig up all the government funded deep sea research programs. Do that yourself before you post.

I said attract. I didn't say their was ABSOLUTELY NONE. Public interest, and thus governemnt interest, in deep-sea exploration and tech development has sadly waned in the wake of the space age. I'm talking in relative terms. Their may be a lot of funding, but compared to space funding, its nothing. I doubt it amounts to 1%of the global funds directed to space based initiatives.

[Piscean]

Not that I want to live in a manmade environmeant on some lump of unlivable dirt somewhere but if humans ever do expand beyond earth then they were meant to, simple:-)

[Affinity]

Quote by: another day As for should we, no I don't think we should. It would be an unhealthy environment for human beings to live, mentally. I think we should focus on getting the population under control so we don't need to resort to this.

I'm in favor of population control, but that doesn't solve the issue related to expanding beyond Earth. The reason we should colonize other planets is because eventually a natural disaster is going to occur that makes Earth inhabitable.

[loser]

Are Humans meant to expand beyond the Earth?

ABSOLUTELY!

Thats exactly what I think, but I'm curious to the religous opposition to this subject. I'm not sure if it litterally says in the Bible, Torah, or Koran to not leave earth. But I know some people are ethically opposed to it on a religous basis.

Actually, it's what God has planned for humanity all along. In Revelation, the city-ship New Jerusalem is described and even measured. It is basically a cube or sphere measuring about 1400 miles in each direction (or diameter). That is really, really big! It's going to crack open the earth when it lands upon it...split apart the tectonic plates that make up the Great Rift Valley. As Neil Young put it in "After the Gold Rush":

...Well, I dreamed I saw the silver
Space ships flying
In the yellow haze of the sun,
There were children crying
And colors flying
All around the chosen ones.
All in a dream, all in a dream
The loading had begun.
They were flying Mother Nature's
Silver seed to a new home in the sun.
Flying Mother Nature's
Silver seed to a new home.

Mankind is ignorant, religious or not.

Many are called but few are chosen.

The concern about taraforming is that we might mess with the balance of things.

So, when well-meaning (but oh, so ignorant) scientists fly a probe into an approaching comet or asteroid (as they recently did), they inadvertently (and ever so slightly) altered its trajectory so that it has begun an inexorable countdown to a future but imminent impact with Earth. Way to go, retards!

I think a sea colony would be much better. I'm not discounting entirely the Mars colonization, but I don't get why living underwater has been pushed aside.

Destruction of Planet Earth is one reason.

Of course it says nothing about leaving earth in the religious bibles... The people who wrote those books had no concept of other planets as being places you could go. To them the sky was "the heavens", and stars were shiny dots to give us light.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Space travel is a prevalent, recurring theme in the Bible. What? You think God and company are hiding on the Earth?

Also, if we go to another planet, we should be careful. We might experience a new disease that would be extremely deadly. Or, if the planet has life, we might bring some to them.

Would guidance from a higher intelligence help?

We'd be less likely to be wiped out if a comet hit the Earth.

Not if, when!

f humanity expands past the earth onto other planets and maby other solar systems, how will the people away from earth be destroyed in the time of judgment, would it be like a loop hole from god, or whould he just kill (for lack of a better word) everyone not on earth so they could be judged as well, anyway i'm not so familiar with the technicals of revalations and armageddon so i could be asking a dumb question.

Not dumb, just unknowledgeable. Actually, this expansion in the universe will take place AFTER the return of Jesus and AFTER any judgments upon mankind. The Earth will be thrown out of its orbit around the sun into the deepest, darkest regions of space (outer darkness), thus becoming uninhabitable. This will pull Mars and Venus (and, in fact, all of the other planets, though to a lesser degree) into new orbits around the sun, changing their gravities, atmospheres, etc. and probably making them inhabitable. It'll be all good.

There has to be a major major change for people on earth to feel the effects.

Even terrestrial-born changes such as those caused by volcanoes and earthquakes can have tremendous, life-changing impact upon life on earth. An impact by a comet or asteroid could have devastating results. Such an impact (two, actually) is recorded in the Bible. The results? Cataclysmic! The earth's rotational speed will be increased such that a day will be shortened to 16 hours! This means, of course, that the asteroid/comet will come in from the west and hit the Earth at an extreme angle (glancing blow). Amazingly, all life on Earth will NOT be destroyed, though a huge percentage WILL die.

I believe that man has already started the countdown (by meddling in things which he doesn't understand). Read here: Special Report on Comets and Asteroids - New Scientist Space

The reason we should colonize other planets is because eventually a natural disaster is going to occur that makes Earth inhabitable.

Plus it would be good to finally go home...

[Kite]

Quote by: loser ABSOLUTELY! Actually, it's what God has planned for humanity all along. In Revelation, the city-ship New Jerusalem is described and even measured. It is basically a cube or sphere measuring about 1400 miles in each direction (or diameter). That is really, really big! It's going to crack open the earth when it lands upon it...split apart the tectonic plates that make up the Great Rift Valley. As Neil Young put it in "After the Gold Rush": ...Well, I dreamed I saw the silver Space ships flying In the yellow haze of the sun, There were children crying And colors flying All around the chosen ones. All in a dream, all in a dream The loading had begun. They were flying Mother Nature's Silver seed to a new home in the sun. Flying Mother Nature's Silver seed to a new home. Mankind is ignorant, religious or not. Many are called but few are chosen.

So you use a Neil Young song and a passage from a story book to predict the future of mankind. Brilliant.

So, when well-meaning (but oh, so ignorant) scientists fly a probe into an approaching comet or asteroid (as they recently did), they inadvertently (and ever so slightly) altered its trajectory so that it has begun an inexorable countdown to a future but imminent impact with Earth. Way to go, retards!

Funny how no one has heard about this major earth endangering event except for you. Why don't you post a link to this story, that is if it actually exists and its not just some more made up garbage on your part.

Also, if what you're blathering about IS true, then this big asteroid that the 'evil scientists' have set on a collision course with us would be your 'New Jerusalem'. So why don't you find a scientist and shake his hand.

Destruction of Planet Earth is one reason.

Why don't you elaborate on how living underwater would destroy the earth, that is unless you have made, gasp, yet ANOTHER baseless assertion.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Space travel is a prevalent, recurring theme in the Bible. What? You think God and company are hiding on the Earth?

So God...lives in space...right...

Would guidance from a higher intelligence help?

Like who? Oh, god. Right.

Not if, when!

I know that I already know the answer to my own question, but do you realize the chances of a meteor large enough to destroy the earth making a dead on hit to us are actually quite slim? Not that I would expect you to know about astronomy, or as I imagine you call it, devilonomy. Besides, there are many other lovely ways for us to be destroyed by space. Gamma blasters for instance, or drifting into a cloud of cosmic dust.
We will most likely destroy ourselves with Nukes well before any of that happens anyway, so I wouldn't worry about any asteroids.

Not dumb, just unknowledgeable. Actually, this expansion in the universe will take place AFTER the return of Jesus and AFTER any judgments upon mankind. The Earth will be thrown out of its orbit around the sun into the deepest, darkest regions of space (outer darkness), thus becoming uninhabitable. This will pull Mars and Venus (and, in fact, all of the other planets, though to a lesser degree) into new orbits around the sun, changing their gravities, atmospheres, etc. and probably making them inhabitable. It'll be all good.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong! You obviously have zero knowledge of how the cosmos function. Even IF some nonsense magical force threw earth into the Oort cloud, that would only slightly alter the orbits of the other planets, and thats only if earth passed near to them on its way out. It would not be able to pass close enough to Mars AND Venus, unless there is some way for Jesus to make the earth take some roundabout path. To top off your wrong cake, moving the orbits of mars or Venus would not magically make them habitable. Pick up a book for christ sake.

Even terrestrial-born changes such as those caused by volcanoes and earthquakes can have tremendous, life-changing impact upon life on earth. An impact by a comet or asteroid could have devastating results. Such an impact (two, actually) is recorded in the Bible. The results? Cataclysmic! The earth's rotational speed will be increased such that a day will be shortened to 16 hours! This means, of course, that the asteroid/comet will come in from the west and hit the Earth at an extreme angle (glancing blow). Amazingly, all life on Earth will NOT be destroyed, though a huge percentage WILL die.

Who told you that? A little talking bird? Or was it another one of your storybooks?

I believe that man has already started the countdown (by meddling in things which he doesn't understand). Read here: Special Report on Comets and Asteroids - New Scientist Space

How is looking at a meteor that has landed on earth or looking in the sky at a comet meddling with things we don't understand? Comets are big chunks of ice hurtling through space. Meteors are chunks of minerals that come from space and hit the earth. No misunderstanding there.

Plus it would be good to finally go home...

The same home that those hale-bop people went to?

[Domino]

It would not be able to pass close enough to Mars AND Venus, unless there is some way for Jesus to make the earth take some roundabout path.

If Mars and Venus were opposite the Sun from Earth, and Earth were nudged further inside its orbit, as it falls past the sun, Earth could easily pass near both Venus and Mars. If the timing were right, Earth could pass close enough to pick up acceleration from both of them, sending it to the outer solar system, and likely altering the orbits of Mars and Venus as it does so.

It is, of course, wildly unlikely. I just wanted to point out that it's possible for Earth to pass both Mars and Venus without looping or doubling back. Shoot, you could probably even fit Mercury into the mix; though it's effect on Earth would be negligible, given the proximity of the Sun, Earth could have quite the effect on Mercury.

Personally, I think we should pile up the gas giants, big balls of fuel that they are, then fashion the rocky planets and asteroids into a vessel that can ride within the fuel ball. When this Sun doesn't want us, anymore, we'll just take our planets and go.

[Kite]

Quote by: Domino If Mars and Venus were opposite the Sun from Earth, and Earth were nudged further inside its orbit, as it falls past the sun, Earth could easily pass near both Venus and Mars. If the timing were right, Earth could pass close enough to pick up acceleration from both of them, sending it to the outer solar system, and likely altering the orbits of Mars and Venus as it does so. It is, of course, wildly unlikely. I just wanted to point out that it's possible for Earth to pass both Mars and Venus without looping or doubling back. Shoot, you could probably even fit Mercury into the mix; though it's effect on Earth would be negligible, given the proximity of the Sun, Earth could have quite the effect on Mercury.

You are right, but it is as you said wildly unlikely. My point was that he has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to astronomy.

Personally, I think we should pile up the gas giants, big balls of fuel that they are, then fashion the rocky planets and asteroids into a vessel that can ride within the fuel ball. When this Sun doesn't want us, anymore, we'll just take our planets and go.

That would be a good idea, except the sun is due to turn into a red giant roughly 26 billion years from now, and I really doubt the human race will endure that long.

[Domino]

You are right, but it is as you said wildly unlikely. My point was that he has no idea what hes talking about when it comes to astronomy.

It occurs to me that there are only certain times at which this could happen. If one were to truly believe that it were going to happen, it shouldn't be hard to generate a list of dates on which it could happen, given some mighty blow to the Earth. If one wanted to be more specific about the orbits in which the other planets wind up, the list of dates could be narrowed even further. I'd love to see that list... not that I'm going to put any work into it Perhaps we can persuade loser to train in astronomy.

Btw, from what I've heard, our Sun is approximately middle-aged; it's been around or 4.5 billion years, and it's got about five billion to go... so how does that figure with your estimate of the endurance of the human race?! :)

I'll be very disappointed if we don't ditch this planet until the Sun forces us to. That's a looong time to spend "getting it together".

[Compugasm]

Quote by: loser The earth's rotational speed will be increased such that a day will be shortened to 16 hours! This means, of course, that the asteroid/comet will come in from the west and hit the Earth at an extreme angle (glancing blow).

A glancing blow is going to increase the earth rotation by 33%. In other words, the entire mass of the earth will move 7920mph faster from an asteroid impact? I'm no scientist, but it would be like flicking an ice chip at an icecube. I just noticed you said "comet" also, which is even crazier. Even a moon sized comet couldn't make the earth spin 8000mph faster.

[Kite]

Quote by: Domino It occurs to me that there are only certain times at which this could happen. If one were to truly believe that it were going to happen, it shouldn't be hard to generate a list of dates on which it could happen, given some mighty blow to the Earth. If one wanted to be more specific about the orbits in which the other planets wind up, the list of dates could be narrowed even further. I'd love to see that list... not that I'm going to put any work into it Perhaps we can persuade loser to train in astronomy.

Good luck with getting him to learn anything

Btw, from what I've heard, our Sun is approximately middle-aged; it's been around or 4.5 billion years, and it's got about five billion to go... so how does that figure with your estimate of the endurance of the human race?! :) I'll be very disappointed if we don't ditch this planet until the Sun forces us to. That's a looong time to spend "getting it together".

Oh 5 billion years, that changes everything . I give our species maybe 2 million years, and that is my most liberal estimate. There is a very good chance we wont last another 10 before we destroy ourselves. Hell we might not be around next week.

But I agree, we should put some effort into getting off this rock and onto a new one well before conditions necessitate it.