Why God is a Douche

[Lullaby Chainer]

In previous threads I've explained why I don't believe in God.

Now, I'm going to explain why God, the fictional character, is a dick. Feel free to defend him.. 'cause I guarantee he won't be able to defend himself.

Please note.. I am an angry atheist and the below uses non-severe but insulting words. Yes, he's not real.. and I wouldn't be so pissed if it weren't for all the psychos killing people for this imaginary jerk.


Crimes against others.. God will forgive. (murder, rape, genocide, torture)

Crimes against God.. God will not forgive. (atheism)

Why would you want to believe in such a pussy?

He's basically saying.. "you just raped that already emotionally-troubled innocent girl? It's awwwwrriiigght, just believe in my goodie-two-shoe son and I forgive you." Forgive you?!?! For something you did to SOMEONE ELSE?

But as soon as you pull it around and he's the victim.. that's a big ass no-no that deserves only the most terrible of infinite eternal torturing punishment.

Now Hell.. that's another big problem. I've once stated that the only being deserving of Hell is God. I stick by that statement. The only being that deserves Hell is a being that would create it in the first place. There's NOTHING you can do with your finite time on earth that deserves a torturing punishment that doesn't ever ever end. I'm not saying evil people shouldn't be punished, but I am saying infinity is a long ass time for a finite sin.

Next, I can't stand how God is sooo much of a pussy that he can't take the heat for sin. For eff's sake.. Adam and Eve?! He claims to be omniscient, yet he has people believing he didn't actually plan for Adam and Eve to eat the naughty fruit. He designed the whole set up.. right down to a freaking fruit that would damn us all to suffering in the first place. To say he didn't specifically design and plan for there to be sin is to insult his omniscience.. yet HE HIMSELF won't take the blame. God framed Adam and Eve.

Lastly, God has people hating gays when he himself created the biological dispositions that cause most gays to be biologically gay. This is utter bullsh!t worthy of contempt. Not to mention all the other hateful, sick, crappy, pseudo-moral bullsh!t in the OT.

Can you defend God?

Edit: Please note.. I'm not attacking religious people.. I'm attacking only God.

[Winter wind]

Wow, you really have the hatred of a burning nova...

Quote by: lc Crimes against others.. God will forgive. (murder, rape, genocide, torture)

Will forgive, but on the concept that they feel sorry for their action. If the person feels sorry and wishes to amend their ways, then they are truly no longer a threat to society. It's the concept of redemptive judgment over retributive.

Quote by: lc Crimes against God.. God will not forgive. (atheism)

Well if you asked for forgiveness for that crime, why not?

But really I don' believe this section (yes yes i know, im not really a Christian, but bite me)

Quote by: lc He's basically saying.. "you just raped that already emotionally-troubled innocent girl? It's awwwwrriiigght, just believe in my goodie-two-shoe son and I forgive you." Forgive you?!?! For something you did to SOMEONE ELSE?

despite all the nastiness in it, this is a fair point
however the counter argument is, well to truely believe in this person, you have to have xxx values, otherwise you're just believing what your parents told you and not in Jesus.

But as soon as you pull it around and he's the victim.. that's a big ass no-no that deserves only the most terrible of infinite eternal torturing punishment.

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Hahah, true, true.

Well, crimes against Gods laws are, in my opinion, human rights violations (as opposed to state laws.)

Enslaving an entire civilization is a crime against God
Systematically killing a group of people is a crime against God
Blasphemy isn't pleasant, but I hope God cares more about the above then the Lullaby's ranting.

Now Hell.. that's another big problem. I've once stated that the only being deserving of Hell is God. I stick by that statement. The only being that deserves Hell is a being that would create it in the first place. There's NOTHING you can do with your finite time on earth that deserves a torturing punishment that doesn't ever ever end. I'm not saying evil people shouldn't be punished, but I am saying infinity is a long ass time for a finite sin.

This is true, which makes me wonder one thing. Maybe God gave the threat of hell as a major deterrent, but really doesn't have a hell. It's how I think capital punishment should work. Make a major threat out of killing litterbugs then never doing it.
It's probably not true, but a funny idea.

Next, I can't stand how God is sooo much of a pussy that he can't take the heat for sin. For eff's sake.. Adam and Eve?! He claims to be omniscient, yet he has people believing he didn't actually plan for Adam and Eve to eat the naughty fruit. He designed the whole set up.. right down to a freaking fruit that would damn us all to suffering in the first place. To say he didn't specifically design and plan for there to be sin is to insult his omniscience.. yet HE HIMSELF won't take the blame. God framed Adam and Eve.

I figured you of all people would see the free-will symbolism that is in that chapter of the Bible.
By deciding to know the difference between good and evil and losing our innocents, we become responsible for it. God knew what was going to happen, but giving humans free will, he let it happen.

A quote from Bruce Almighty (of all things) fits this place well.
Bruce: how do you get people to like you without infringing on their free will?
God (as morgan freeman!): When you get the answer, could you tell me?

Lastly, God has people hating gays when he himself created the biological dispositions that cause most gays to be biologically gay. This is utter bullsh!t worthy of contempt. Not to mention all the other hateful, sick, crappy, pseudo-moral bullsh!t in the OT.

The ot reflects the best wisdom of it's time but as stated (im not digging up the exact chapter at 1:15 in the morning)
"You must change the old wine skin" or something
The above is why I put very little merit into the ot.

Now, I'm going to explain why God, the fictional character, is a dick. Feel free to defend him.. 'cause I guarantee he won't be able to defend himself.

God may be a Douche, you on the other hand...
jk

[ChinUp]

You are talking about the deity of christiandom i presume, Yahweh the deity who apparently created all that is.

Feel free to scapegoat the deity you choose to think exists, but please don't presume we all are as willing as you to adopt theist pretensions upon the word God.

Blaming deities or God (a word used when we are in awe) for things is irrational & insensible, like a drunk blaming the drink for their lack of self control

[shawmutt]

You hate the Christian God, yet you happily receive gifts for Christmas. If you're going to be an "a"theist, then you need to shrug off all the theistic rituals, including receiving gifts for Christmas. Until then don't expect to be taken seriously.

You obviously have some emotional baggage to work out in dealing with the God you imagine. I don't really see a debate here, just a belligerent rant of vitriol against what you claim you don't believe in.

I don't see you as an "angry" atheist, I see you as a disrespectful one.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Winter wind Wow, you really have the hatred of a burning nova... Will forgive, but on the concept that they feel sorry for their action. If the person feels sorry and wishes to amend their ways, then they are truly no longer a threat to society. It's the concept of redemptive judgment over retributive.

You missed the point entirely.

Firstly, feeling sorry for doing something doesn't guarantee you'll stop doing it. So your statement is just plain false.

Secondly, that's like saying someone should be forgiven of rape because they started going to feminist meetings. Nay, it's like saying someone should be forgiven of rape because they felt sorry for doing it. Aw, poor you.. you feel sorry for raping a girl or murdering a child so I'm going to forgive you??

Quote by: Winter wind Well if you asked for forgiveness for that crime, why not?

That makes no sense. I mentally can't ask something I don't believe in to forgive me for not believing in it.

Quote by: Winter wind But really I don' believe this section (yes yes i know, im not really a Christian, but bite me)

You're one who follows christ. I don't have a problem with that. I give you a hard time about it 'cause you twist and edit Christianity so much I just wish you'd let go of it completely and use your obviously independent pure moral compass without veiling it with a religion.. that's all..

Quote by: Winter wind despite all the nastiness in it, this is a fair point however the counter argument is, well to truely believe in this person, you have to have xxx values, otherwise you're just believing what your parents told you and not in Jesus.

I addressed this above.

Quote by: Winter wind Hahah, true, true. Well, crimes against Gods laws are, in my opinion, human rights violations (as opposed to state laws.) Enslaving an entire civilization is a crime against God Systematically killing a group of people is a crime against God Blasphemy isn't pleasant, but I hope God cares more about the above then the Lullaby's ranting.

It's more so a crime against the civilization and the group of people. Thus, God will forgive it. Now.. it's however possible to directly insult God while hurting no one else and that's humorously the unforgivable sin. He's being a pussy. He's forgiving you for killing, raping, and torturing others while the only thing he won't forgive you for is denying him.. which doesn't even necessarily entail hurting others in the process.

Think of it this way.

Christians view God as great by default.. which allows them to overlook things that if a normal human being would do.. they'd be labeled a sadistic lunatic.

For instance, if a father forgive me for killing his son.. yet kidnapped me and tortured me for calling him heartless.. you'd say this father was a dick.

God does the same thing, but because he's GAWD, it's overlooked.

Quote by: Winter wind This is true, which makes me wonder one thing. Maybe God gave the threat of hell as a major deterrent, but really doesn't have a hell. It's how I think capital punishment should work. Make a major threat out of killing litterbugs then never doing it. It's probably not true, but a funny idea.

That'd be nice.

Quote by: Winter wind I figured you of all people would see the free-will symbolism that is in that chapter of the Bible. By deciding to know the difference between good and evil and losing our innocents, we become responsible for it. God knew what was going to happen, but giving humans free will, he let it happen.

I'm not criticizing the allowance of sin. I'm criticizing God for not taking the heat for it. He has to blame it on his measly two creations like a little wuss.

Quote by: Winter wind The ot reflects the best wisdom of it's time but as stated (im not digging up the exact chapter at 1:15 in the morning) "You must change the old wine skin" or something The above is why I put very little merit into the ot.

That's very vague. What's not vague is when the Bible says it's the perfect word of God.

Quote by: Winter wind God may be a Douche, you on the other hand... jk

lol

Quote by: ChinUp You are talking about the deity of christiandom i presume, Yahweh the deity who apparently created all that is. Feel free to scapegoat the deity you choose to think exists, but please don't presume we all are as willing as you to adopt theist pretensions upon the word God. Blaming deities or God (a word used when we are in awe) for things is irrational & insensible, like a drunk blaming the drink for their lack of self control

If you read the OP, you'll notice I'm mainly attacking God's character.. not the existence of evil or my own flaws.

Quote by: shawmutt You hate the Christian God, yet you happily receive gifts for Christmas. If you're going to be an "a"theist, then you need to shrug off all the theistic rituals, including receiving gifts for Christmas. Until then don't expect to be taken seriously. You obviously have some emotional baggage to work out in dealing with the God you imagine. I don't really see a debate here, just a belligerent rant of vitriol against what you claim you don't believe in. I don't see you as an "angry" atheist, I see you as a disrespectful one.

Don't psychoanalyze me, shaw. If you have nothing to contribute to this debate (it's funny you question whether there's anything to debate when Winter wind before you started a debate quite nicely) then DON'T POST.

And you're right. I am disrespectful. I do not, and never will, respect religion.

[ChinUp]

shawmutt .. You need to learn what the celebration on whats now called the 25th of December is about. Because it has nothing @ all to do with the irrational belief in deities. Presents have no strings attached thats the whole point of them ..

To what extent have you dissociated yourself from nature, reality & personal responsibility I wonder. Blaming deities is silly, blaming God is even sillier.

[Matt W]

LC:

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