Jesus Camp on A&E TV

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Kite Then why don't you help us to understand? Tell us the message the children waving weapons around in camouflage intend to communicate, since the obvious inference of fear and intimidation is wrong, according to you.

As I said in an earlier post, it's about a "spiritual" warfare.

Only an evil heart looks for things to be implied, inferred, etc.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Morality Games It definitely falls under the jurisdiction of brainwashing, which is what radical Muslims do to their children.

Well, indoctrination anyway. However, no more so than what the government indoctrination centers (public schools) engage in.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Chancellor Well, indoctrination anyway. However, no more so than what the government indoctrination centers (public schools) engage in.

We both agree that schools are indoctrination centers, that's good.
But when you say "no more than", I'm skeptical.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: nerdvincent We both agree that schools are indoctrination centers, that's good. But when you say "no more than", I'm skeptical.

Exactly, as if either could be justified.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: nerdvincent We both agree that schools are indoctrination centers, that's good. But when you say "no more than", I'm skeptical.

Yes, "no more so than..." Both (religion and public schools) indoctrinate but the direction of that indoctrination is different for each.

[Halofan48]

Back on topic. This film shows the attempt of Radical christians to brain wash children for pushing their political agenda and that they should hate "the enemy" which in all likelihood is muslims.

[Halofan48]

Quote by :Chancellor As I said in an earlier post, it's about a "spiritual" warfare.

that's just a repeated statement, explain what you mean please. What is "spiritual Warfare"

[Tycoon]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. If I'm watching the right Jesus Camp, then Becky Fischer is yelling "We got too many Christians that are fat and lazy! They don't want to give up their evening meal!"

She's probably too fat to even see the scale! She's one to talk!

Hah, sorry, that's beside the point. It's the only thing I've gotten to though.

[Kite]

Quote by: Chancellor As I said in an earlier post, it's about a "spiritual" warfare. Only an evil heart looks for things to be implied, inferred, etc.

So when a crazed child dressed in commando gear is pointing a gun at me and telling me how Jesus will punish the wicked, I'm evil for thinking that he wants to do me harm? Substitute the word 'Jesus' with 'Allah' and turn the child into a bearded man, you would have what is commonly defined as a terrorist. But don't worry, I'm sure Osama calls it 'spiritual warfare' too. I apologize for having such an 'Evil Heart'. I'll be sure to blindly accept everything that pours forth from your posts in the future.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Halofan48 that's just a repeated statement, explain what you mean please. What is "spiritual Warfare"

Go find out for yourself what evangelical Christians mean by "spiritual warfare." I'm not going to do your work for you.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Halofan48 Back on topic. This film shows the attempt of Radical christians to brain wash children for pushing their political agenda and that they should hate "the enemy" which in all likelihood is muslims.

You really don't know what you're talking about. If you had watched the film then you would have known from the context that the "enemy" is not Muslims.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Kite So when a crazed child dressed in commando gear is pointing a gun at me and telling me how Jesus will punish the wicked, I'm evil for thinking that he wants to do me harm?

I said it's an evil heart that looks for things to be inferred or implied instead of taking things at face value.

Substitute the word 'Jesus' with 'Allah' and turn the child into a bearded man, you would have what is commonly defined as a terrorist.

There you go again!

But don't worry, I'm sure Osama calls it 'spiritual warfare' too.

Whether he does or not is irrelevant.

I apologize for having such an 'Evil Heart'. I'll be sure to blindly accept everything that pours forth from your posts in the future.

What I expect from you is that you take my postst to mean exactly and only what I write. Whether you agree or disagree with my posts is entirely up to you but if you're going to disagree with me then I expect you to get it right!

[Halofan48]

Quote by: Chancellor I said it's an evil heart that looks for things to be inferred or implied instead of taking things at face value.

What I expect from you is that you take my postst to mean exactly and only what I write. Whether you agree or disagree with my posts is entirely up to you but if you're going to disagree with me then I expect you to get it right!

Kind of contradictory don't you think. You say it's evil to think something is implied or supposed to be interpreted, then you say that he should?

You really don't know what you're talking about. If you had watched the film then you would have known from the context that the "enemy" is not Muslims.

I did watch the film. Sorry that it's not something I want to watch over and over again (like you appear to). Yet what I saw made me think that they were probably talking about muslims, classifying them all as the enemy due to the actions of a small group.

[Kite]

Quote by: Chancellor I said it's an evil heart that looks for things to be inferred or implied instead of taking things at face value.

So face value is always right? Alright then, ANYONE waving around a gun is dangerous, regardless of race, religion or creed. Theres your face value, would you care to refute it?

There you go again!

It would appear so. It doesn't change the fact that I'm right.

Whether he does or not is irrelevant.

Maybe, but it sure makes those crazies look bad.

What I expect from you is that you take my postst to mean exactly and only what I write. Whether you agree or disagree with my posts is entirely up to you but if you're going to disagree with me then I expect you to get it right!

Well I completely disagree with you. Its just a tad bit annoying when you tear apart every little phrase that gets put down and try to make it into something that its not.

[Halofan48]

another thing:

Quote by: Chancellor Go find out for yourself what evangelical Christians mean by "spiritual warfare." I'm not going to do your work for you.

that differs from christian to christian. I asked a few of my friends and heres what they described
1st: conflict between religions
2nd: an excuse for violence
3rd: tension between different religions
4th: I don't know, nor do I care
5th: someone telling you your doing something wrong and need to change

that's the responses from (in order) my neighbor, my friend, my other friend, my neighbors son, and then my opposite neighbor. So that's what I'm basing it on.

Quote by: Kite Well I completely disagree with you. Its just a tad bit annoying when you tear apart every little phrase that gets put down and try to make it into something that its not.

You noticed that too? It seems like his favorite thing to do huh.

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[Chancellor]

Quote by: Kite So face value is always right? Alright then, ANYONE waving around a gun is dangerous, regardless of race, religion or creed. Theres your face value, would you care to refute it?

Anyone waving a gun around is dangerous.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Halofan48 another thing: that differs from christian to christian. I asked a few of my friends and heres what they described 1st: conflict between religions 2nd: an excuse for violence 3rd: tension between different religions 4th: I don't know, nor do I care 5th: someone telling you your doing something wrong and need to change that's the responses from (in order) my neighbor, my friend, my other friend, my neighbors son, and then my opposite neighbor. So that's what I'm basing it on.

But are any of them evangelical Christians along the lines of those in the DVD?

Now, since none of you seem to be willing to go and find out for yourselves what spiritual warfare is...

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Spiritual warfare : soul struggles against evil
Spiritual Warfare
What Is Spiritual Warfare?
Spiritual warfare & deliverance ministry Avoid false doctrine on spiritual warfare prayer, deliverance, etc
Spiritual Warfare: The World, the Flesh, the Devil, and the Glory of God!
Spiritual warfare
Jesus Camp
Jesus Camp « Organic Faith - Searching for intimacy with God in a postmodern world

For an idea of what these people are calling "spiritual warfare," notice this quote from the following article (http://chutry.wordherders.net/archives/006036.html): "This pastor is especially interested in recruiting 'warriors,' metaphorically speaking, in the fight against abortion, and in fact, later in the film, we see many of these children on the steps of the Supreme Court handing out fliers calling for the overturning of Roe v. Wade."

[Kite]

Quote by: Chancellor Anyone waving a gun around is dangerous.

Is that not what I said? Why was a response necessary?

'Spiritual warfare' is the struggle to have life in this material world reflect as much as possible God's loving governance. It is a 'war' because there are forces working vigorously to thwart what God is doing. God is in charge, but there is an enemy that is in full-scale revolt, and it has powerful influence all around.

This is from the first link in your series of links. Now, it would appear that this is a fairly open definition, a warfare that could be applied physically, socially and mentally. Christian anti-abortionists march outside of abortion clinics calling everyone who might come in and out a sinner; Social. Evangelicals being taught in their congregations that homosexuality is wrong and goes against God; Mental. Islamic militants, fighting a war against the un-godly United States, because so much of our culture goes against what is taught in the Koran; Physical. Regardless of the methodology, they are all trying to achieve the same end: Make society conform to their religion. Warfare is a broad spectrum tool, regardless of whether its end result is spiritual or not.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Kite Is that not what I said? Why was a response necessary?

Your exact statement was: "waving around a gun is dangerous, regardless of race, religion or creed." I agree that waiving a gun around is dangerous.

This is from the first link in your series of links. Now, it would appear that this is a fairly open definition, a warfare that could be applied physically, socially and mentally. Christian anti-abortionists march outside of abortion clinics calling everyone who might come in and out a sinner; Social. Evangelicals being taught in their congregations that homosexuality is wrong and goes against God; Mental. Islamic militants, fighting a war against the un-godly United States, because so much of our culture goes against what is taught in the Koran; Physical. Regardless of the methodology, they are all trying to achieve the same end: Make society conform to their religion. Warfare is a broad spectrum tool, regardless of whether its end result is spiritual or not.

Well, I did try to provide a little variety from across the evangelical spectrum.