Faith.

[nerdvincent]

What's being faithful? Gimme a definition.

[Cl3ver]

Main Entry: 1faith Listen to the pronunciation of 1faith Pronunciation: \ˈfāth\ Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural faiths Listen to the pronunciation of faiths \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāthz\ Etymology: Middle English feith, from Anglo-French feid, fei, from Latin fides; akin to Latin fidere to trust — more at bide Date: 13th century 1 a: allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty b (1): fidelity to one's promises (2): sincerity of intentions 2 a (1): belief and trust in and loyalty to God (2): belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion b (1): firm belief in something for which there is no proof (2): complete trust 3: something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs <the Protestant faith>

Taken from Merriam-Webster.



Being faithful, in the eyes of religion, is to have complete trust in your God without question. You have to have blind faith, and by that i mean you need to have complete trust and love for your God without any complete concrete proof that the being exists.
Oh, and you should follow the rules of your God too.... forgot about that one.

[Cephus]

Faith is the permission we give ourselves to believe things we have no good reason to believe.

[nerdvincent]

Interesting. Any objection?

[Prometheus]

Quote by: Cephus Faith is the permission we give ourselves to believe things we have no good reason to believe.

You always have to take the combative, in-your-face approach don't you? Man, just cool down a little and breathe.

Even a bellicose atheist can be a "faithful" friend, or keep an agreement in "good faith".

[nerdvincent]

Well and why not? But does it change his definition?

[freedom13]

Faith is the permission we give ourselves to believe things we have no good reason to believe.

Interesting. Any objection?

How will you answer the following three questions?

1. Do you believe that the people of America should have faith in United States Government?

2. Do you also believe that the United States Government has been trustworthy toward the American people?

3. Should there be any disloyalty between the United States Government and the people?

[nerdvincent]

1- According to this definition of faith, no way.
2- Does it even worth asking? XD
3- Hell yes.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Prometheus You always have to take the combative, in-your-face approach don't you? Man, just cool down a little and breathe.

It's called honesty. That was a very honest, straightforward definition that really, no one can argue with. Just because you don't like the picture it paints doesn't mean it's less than accurate.

[Cephus]

Quote by: freedom13 1. Do you believe that the people of America should have faith in United States Government?

Faith in what? Faith in the existence of the United States Government? No need for faith, we can demonstrate it exists. Faith that they're going to do a good job? That's about the worst thing you could ever believe in, given it's recent track record.

2. Do you also believe that the United States Government has been trustworthy toward the American people?

Not for a second, but this isn't faith you're talking about, it's trust.

3. Should there be any disloyalty between the United States Government and the people?

Given how disloyal the government has been toward the principles that America was founded upon, hell yes. Not sure how this has anything to do with religious faith though.

[Jayjhis]

Quote by: Cl3ver Taken from Merriam-Webster. Oh, and you should follow the rules of your God too.... forgot about that one.

Unless you're Catholic. Then you don't have to follow the rules, you just have to pray like hell after you break one.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: Jayjhis Unless you're Catholic. Then you don't have to follow the rules, you just have to pray like hell after you break one.

Does hell pray?

[Jack]

In a hellish manner? Pray like a hellion?

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Cephus It's called honesty. That was a very honest, straightforward definition that really, no one can argue with. Just because you don't like the picture it paints doesn't mean it's less than accurate.

Of course people can argue with it.

Just because you can argue against a god as portrayed in one version of a book doesn't mean all concepts of the supernatural die with it.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Cl3ver Taken from Merriam-Webster. Being faithful, in the eyes of religion, is to have complete trust in your God without question. You have to have blind faith, and by that i mean you need to have complete trust and love for your God without any complete concrete proof that the being exists. Oh, and you should follow the rules of your God too.... forgot about that one.

Ah, like the way some people here have blind faith in science and its underlying philosophy of naturalism.

[Cephus]

Quote by: HelioPrime Of course people can argue with it.

They can dislike it, they can ignore it, they can pretend it doesn't exist, but I don't think they can rationally argue with the definition I gave.

Just because you can argue against a god as portrayed in one version of a book doesn't mean all concepts of the supernatural die with it.

It's just as easy to argue against all of them in the same manner. There is no evidence for *ANY* of them, hence it's foolish to believe in *ANY* of them.

[kfinkelstein]

It's just as easy to argue against all of them in the same manner. There is no evidence for *ANY* of them, hence it's foolish to believe in *ANY* of them.

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Theories such as super-string rely on dimensions that exist (or at least can only be observed) only on paper, but it certainly seems to tie the universe together. That is just as much faith as in any religion.

Don't get me wrong, I am an atheist myself, but dont discount a system of thought because it relies on unobservable, abstract ideas.

[nerdvincent]

Quote by: kfinkelstein The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. Theories such as super-string rely on dimensions that exist (or at least can only be observed) only on paper, but it certainly seems to tie the universe together. That is just as much faith as in any religion. Don't get me wrong, I am an atheist myself, but dont discount a system of thought because it relies on unobservable, abstract ideas.

Well it's not because it's abstract that it's unfounded. Maths are proofs.

[kfinkelstein]

At its core, yes mathmatics are as concrete as it gets. The nature of beast changes as you add dimensions.

[nerdvincent]

Why?