Lilith, first wife of Adam

[Nemiroff]

I first heard about her in a game about vampires, but they tend to take religious canon and twist it, but they mentioned real scripter of her were found on the dead sea scrolls, supposedly she was formed along side adam, not out of a rib. may have been left out to make women feel inferior.

does anyone have any detailed info about her story or is it all just made up?

[Technosoul]

[quote=Nemiroff;465331]I first heard about her in a game about vampires, but they tend to take religious canon and twist it, but they mentioned real scripter of her were found on the dead sea scrolls, supposedly she was formed along side adam, not out of a rib. may have been left out to make women feel inferior.

does anyone have any detailed info about her story or is it all just made up?[/QUOTE)

Yes, here is a link for starters.

Lilith - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cute babe eh?

Here is another link with older artwork. Go kitty go

the lilith shrine

I first learned about her in a revelation I had. Once upon a time people used the shelter of caves for security, re: The Cave of Treasures.

In the fall the snakes would migrate to hibernate in the cave, the female person so pictured went in and found them hibernating and thought they had gone into the cave to die, but in springtime around easter they came crawing back out of the cave, alive again. So Adam thought the serpents knew about the secret of eternal life, the mystery of life and death ( good and evil ). It was not until years later that humans found out about hibernation ( the deep sleep ).

The story of Jesus is connected to that snake story because he was placed in a cave and then came back out - alive again in spirit. It of course started by "watching nature". As a pagan system of learning.

However the painting on that web page is using the wrong kind of snake.

Religion then centered around caves, pyamids, and temples, and churches, all of which had to do with that original event. As they experimented with ways to insure eternal life and to discover the wisdom of the serpent. The cave experiments led to the discovery of gold and silver, which then became part of the sacred items of religion.

The word "Adam" translated means "mankind", before being assigned to just one person in the Biblical version.

In the Biblical story Jesus went into the underworld and got the keys of eternal life from the seprent, and set all the dead people free so that their spirits could float up into the sky. Which is what he did during the three days before Mary M. saw him in her revelation.

[ZNFYRH]

I never got that much history.

The version I have heard most often also relates to a highly negative view of women. Lilith was created of Earth, like Adam was. But God realized she was too independent, she did not respect God or Adam. So God made her into a serpent, because while she was belligerent she was also wise in her reasoning.

God then created Eve from Adam, thus binding her to him... making her dependent on Adam... and all women dependent on men. When Eve wondered about the apple from the Tree, the serpent was Lilith being vengeful.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: ZNFYRH I never got that much history. The version I have heard most often also relates to a highly negative view of women. Lilith was created of Earth, like Adam was. But God realized she was too independent, she did not respect God or Adam. So God made her into a serpent, because while she was belligerent she was also wise in her reasoning. God then created Eve from Adam, thus binding her to him... making her dependent on Adam... and all women dependent on men. When Eve wondered about the apple from the Tree, the serpent was Lilith being vengeful.

That is an interesting story also, simular to the stories from Native Americans who speak about people shape shifting into animals, and simular to the images of beings that are half-human and half-animal, such as a vampire that is part-bat and part human. Like the famous feathered serpent person who once was a king in Mexico legends.

It is clear that the Eve story originated during the pottery era when the science of pottery was the lastest invention.

But it seems that the stories are all about the male sex drive and how they are powerless due to that weakness and how women can use that weakness to their advantages.

When a teen boy suddenly gets that strong urge to mate, it is no wonder he thought that he was under a spell cast by the pretty girls. It seemed somewhat magical and all.

Nowadays men are attracted to cars and computer gadets and so shape shifting into snakes and animals was adapted too by modern writers, thus, now we got the "Transformers" - half machine half human like beings.

Now if that red head with the snake (see link) encouraged me I would go under her spell in a instant, and would be putty in her hands, just like Adam was clay putty in the hands of his creator. At least if I never go to heaven I would have been in paradise.

Hee Haw u-all.

Apparently "boy crazy" teen girls never wrote any books like the Bible, but if they did then Elvis and the Beatles would be thought of as "mythological icons" - perhaps even Bing Crosby. For woe, the screaming girls were under the spell of a sexy singer and dancer.

It ain't the meat, it's the motion, that makes us wanna rock.

[webjedi]

Lilith was a prideful bitch, and failed to perform even the basic duty of mating with the only man on Earth (according to the tale).

You may of heard of Litlith Fair? It lasted for all of 3 years, which was 8 years ago. A good example of women showing their stupidity (not that men don't, but this is a GREAT example of women doing it). Lilith ended up full of vile rage, never got to fall in love or have babies; she lived out here existence as a miserable, evil person (snake, succubus, whatever) - yeah that's something to emulate. Nobody wanted to go to a misanderous estrogen-fest, which is of course what it turned out to be. So, like Litlith, it was cast aside by natural forces.

My girl at the time wanted me to go with her. I told here I'm not going with her because she's not going. I'll wait till the feminists start whining before I tell the rest of the story.

But it seems that the stories are all about the male sex drive and how they are powerless due to that weakness and how women can use that weakness to their advantages.

Huh? The moral of the story, although you can take it any way you want of course, is generally accepted to be that the natural order of things is for women to submit to men.

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[Zhavric]

Quote by: Nemiroff I first heard about her in a game about vampires,

There's your problem right there.

Are you playing the old version or the new version? What clan is your character?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Nemiroff I first heard about her in a game about vampires, but they tend to take religious canon and twist it, but they mentioned real scripter of her were found on the dead sea scrolls, supposedly she was formed along side adam, not out of a rib. may have been left out to make women feel inferior. does anyone have any detailed info about her story or is it all just made up?

One source of the doctrine is a 20th century "prophet" named William Branham: William Branham Man of God or False Prophet

Here is other information: http://www.gotquestions.org/Lillith.html; http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~humm/Topi...alphabet.html; http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lilith.html; Lilith and Eve

[Technosoul]

[quote=webjedi;465374]Lilith was a prideful bitch, and failed to perform even the basic duty of mating with the only man on Earth (according to the tale).

You may of heard of Litlith Fair? It lasted for all of 3 years, which was 8 years ago. A good example of women showing their stupidity (not that men don't, but this is a GREAT example of women doing it). Lilith ended up full of vile rage, never got to fall in love or have babies; she lived out here existence as a miserable, evil person (snake, succubus, whatever) - yeah that's something to emulate. Nobody wanted to go to a misanderous estrogen-fest, which is of course what it turned out to be. So, like Litlith, it was cast aside by natural forces.

My girl at the time wanted me to go with her. I told here I'm not going with her because she's not going. I'll wait till the feminists start whining before I tell the rest of the story.


Huh? The moral of the story, although you can take it any way you want of course, is generally accepted to be that the natural order of things is for women to submit to men.

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The only reason for the story is to create the idea that such is the natural order of things by teaching it as a virture, to counter-act the facts that such is not always the case.

Most of our mythology and / or religious storytelling is not about the natural order but about how to overcome what is natural.

[Nemiroff]

I believe the story of Adam and eve run the men are superior theme, but the story of lilith actually says that secretly and originally, they were both created equal,
And according to the text of the game, (which unfortuantely is all I have to go by at the moment) she didn't not want to have sex with the only man on earth, she just didn't want to be on the bottom.

If you want the source material, its a book called revelations of a dark mother and its published by white wolf. (White Wolf Online)

I'm not currently playing a game and I haven't read anything on the new one, I liked the old one a lot. Everyone should check it out.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Nemiroff I believe the story of Adam and eve run the men are superior theme, but the story of lilith actually says that secretly and originally, they were both created equal, And according to the text of the game, (which unfortuantely is all I have to go by at the moment) she didn't not want to have sex with the only man on earth, she just didn't want to be on the bottom. If you want the source material, its a book called revelations of a dark mother and its published by white wolf. (White Wolf Online) I'm not currently playing a game and I haven't read anything on the new one, I liked the old one a lot. Everyone should check it out.

No doubt their were more then one story of her, some showing her in a bad light ( as viewed perhaps by some Jewish folks later ) and some stories showing her in a good light.

In that painting on the webpage I found it looks like the snake is having more fun then Adam ever did. But then the snake might be a symbol for Adam? Some people have suggested that the snake represented an organ on males (keeping it clean for the kids ya know ). However in the Biblical story the snake had to craw in the dust evermore because of it's part in the story. From a scientific veiwpoint that means that the snake once had legs like a dinosour serpent and then God doomed the dinos and they de-volved into snakes with no legs. But that is just not so as it makes little sense to me.

But is the snake Adam? Or can fallen angels shape-shift into talking serpents? And if it was the devil in that serpent then did that mean that the devil had to craw in the dust for evermore ? Or just the poor innocent snake he used to decieve people with?

The Bible left a lot out of the story, as for example our biblical version does not mention Cane and Abel's sisters, or that one sister mated the sister of the other brother, to continue the reproductive cycle of the "first family". Cane was unahappy because his sister was pretty looking and the one he had to marry, the sister born at the same time as his brother, was not as pretty. So he killed his brother so that he could marry his own sister instead of the twin sister of his brother. The new biblical version does not mention those sisters but only the boys that Eve gave birth too. Odd? And the reason given for killing his brother was changed. That is ... assuming the other version is the right one?
(which can be found in "The forgotten stories of Adam and Eve" which was released for publication in the 1920s ( not part of those dead sea scrolls or gnostic writings, but a verson from Eqypt).

I wonder if it matters anyway what took place or if it ever did take place or not, why should we need "role models" to give creedence to "being our self". For example, a modern and indpendantly strong woman, who does not give into to the dictates of men, should not need some ancient "goddess" or what have you, to give "authority" to who she is or her viewpoint about life. Same goes for men or anyone else. There is nothing to prove or disprove. It only matters that you are you, and I am I, and each person is whatever they are, so be true to your self because history will not change a thing.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Nemiroff I'm not currently playing a game and I haven't read anything on the new one, I liked the old one a lot. Everyone should check it out.

No. You should drop it like the boring gay crap it is and join the random reality revolution.

[Maryjane]

My girl at the time wanted me to go with her. I told here I'm not going with her because she's not going. I'll wait till the feminists start whining before I tell the rest of the story.

Ho hum...who cares?

[webjedi]

The only reason for the story is to create the idea that such is the natural order of things by teaching it as a virture, to counter-act the facts that such is not always the case.

Actually, in general, it is. Especialy in places where there are no Christians, no Jews, no Muslims, no monotheists, no Bible. Are you aware of how the American Indians treated their women? How about the Incas? In fact, the inventors of the story (or at least its progenitors), the Jews, are the only feminist race. No other race is determined solely by female accession.

In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, but that is only the religion determined by the faith of the mother as well. And look how well off they are because of it. <- what a perfect emoticon!

Quote: My girl at the time wanted me to go with her. I told here I'm not going with her because she's not going. I'll wait till the feminists start whining before I tell the rest of the story. Ho hum...who cares?

Apparently only you since you are the only one that addressed it. Guess I'm not very good at flame baiting. But I definitely keep my girls in line.

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