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Old Nov 6, 2007, 05:12 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
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Enlightenment

There have been 2 1/2 points in my life where a powerful spiritual phenomenon has changed my life dramatically. Today was one of those days.

I have no idea how to describe fully what it was like, but what I can say is—to word it as simply as possible—it was as if God (not the Bible god necessarily) put his hand on my shoulder and without saying a word told me exactly what I need to do with my life. I’ve known what I need to do—but this---this—I just don’t know how to describe it, and it happened during the forming of this song. I could barely stand--tears streaming down my face--all I could think was, "what do you expect me to do?"

This song for me is absolutely that of spiritual awakening, cleansing, and a confirmation of who I am. I knew this was coming. I knew it—I’ve felt it since a week before my grandmother died—I’ve known. I thought it would hit in a dream, I thought it would come to me in a different manner, but things have proven again that I can’t guess that kind of thing—all I can guess is that it’s going to happen at some point.

This happened to me yesterday morning.

The new song is called Enlightenment, my new song that I have set to play when you go to my myspace page Kizzume


Everything has a mathematical formula. These formulas fit together like gears, but they're beyond the 3 dimensions that we know. Think of 4 dimensional gears. I am a 4 dimensional gear (but really way beyond 4 dimensions, but that's neither here nor there), I am a mathematical phenomenon. Everyone is a mathematical phenomenon. All the gears, one way or another, in whatever dimension, fit together. Whether it's a physical dimension or a dimension within someone's consciousness it does not matter--everything fits together. When one doesn't know their way, and everything starts to lose its meaning, one is losing his or her sense of how the gears fit together. This was a personal reminder of that math.

Have you had bursts of this kind of thing happen to you?
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 05:19 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I've experienced what in Zen is called satori once in my life. It was life changing in that it permanently altered my previous way of seeing the world. It was spiritual, but not in any supernatural or religious sense. It left me feeling more in tune with reality, as if I could now see clearer than before. These days it's not a constant state but can be recreated through meditation.


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Old Nov 6, 2007, 05:21 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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This, for me, was almost like the universe was pushing me into place, like I was out of sync before or something. It's so hard to describe.
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 05:23 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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The average Westerner with our attitude of separation from the natural world is out of place. Regaining harmony with nature could easily be unsettling at first.


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Old Nov 6, 2007, 05:49 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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And it's so easy to become out-of-harmony with nature.

I've had little things like this happen on a TINY scale, it was nowhere near to the point where I became weak and weeping like what this did. Nothing like this. When I was 12 I had an out-of-body experience and when I came back, I felt the same way.
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 07:10 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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And it's so easy to become out-of-harmony with nature.

I've had little things like this happen on a TINY scale, it was nowhere near to the point where I became weak and weeping like what this did. Nothing like this. When I was 12 I had an out-of-body experience and when I came back, I felt the same way.
I comes as a bombardment of ideas spinning like millions circles in textures, shapes, motions, colors, and vibrations. With a simple factor the glues together the complexities. Watching the wheels go around.

How many rivers must flow to fill an ocean? It is all the recycling between 01 and 10, but if 6 was upside side as a 9 it still one of the numbers and not a distortion, which liberates us from the needs of fix destiny and to manipulate the momentums within the rivers of thought that flow, flowing, like rivers into the sea, like fog into clouds, like clouds into rain, like rain into rivers.
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 07:38 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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The "ah-ha..!! " moment is merely part of our brain's proclivity to make sense out of random data.. Here is an article from the Washington post:

"You Can't Help It: Our Impulse to Connect the Dots Is Pre-Wired"


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"The human brain is a master of the connect-the-dots game, drawing heavily on its ability to remember the past, make associations in the present and come to conclusions about the future. Indeed, our brains are such talented and overzealous extrapolators that we regularly see patterns where none exist: Given a random array of dots on a page, people will almost always say they recognize a shape or image. "The brain is organized for detecting correlations in the world," says Charles Stevens, a neuroscientist at the Salk Institute in La Jolla, Calif. "We depend on that capacity to stay alive."
Whom among us hasn't had many of those moments..?? For origin of article see: You Can't Help It: Our Impulse to Connect the Dots Is Pre-Wired (washingtonpost.com)
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Old Nov 6, 2007, 08:33 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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our brains are such talented and overzealous extrapolators that we regularly see patterns where none exist:
Which I find to be a reasonable explanation for why some people insist that nature is designed. They just don't grasp that our brains are seeing patterns where none exist.


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Old Nov 7, 2007, 12:16 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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These enlightements are usually things that the body begins to "understand" through some sort of physical change, and not through reading and lecturing.
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Old Nov 7, 2007, 12:48 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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If one tries to create something random on the fly, there will always be patterns that one will be able to recognize. If it has been calculated by math or just coming out of a computer that's set to make sounds or have visuals at random, we're really not going to be able to pick out a pattern.

Most of the time, what we perceive as random really isn't. So the reverse can be true as well.
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Old Nov 7, 2007, 10:58 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Some patterns produce seemingly random results, such as the results where you tumble dice or get those numbered lotto balls to pop out in a random manner. The odds of winning cannot be predicted, nor the odds of not winning. No one can figure out a predictable pattern.

And yet, they will still bet money based on faith, hope, or a huntch. But even if they were the rare person to win it would proove nothing relative to them having some "inside information" guiding their selction of the numbers they predict would win.

Therefore in any theory about life, self, or the universe we must figure in randomness and/or novelty. Which of course cannot be "figured out" in advance. Only in hindsite or by editing the past.

That is why any theory based on math ( or physics) is pointless. Because we place those numbers in order by force and manipulation, as they are not real or moving such by a natural process of nature.

The concept that we can therefore reason things out comes into doubt realtive to our attempts to determine self-evident truths. For what is normal does not remain the norm as long as changes can happen randomly and as long as motion is possible. For what is blue one moment can shift into being purple the next moment, as would our lines between the insane, the sane, and the unsane. The unsane then is the enlightenment, the novilty of the norm that is not insane. The encounter of the 3rd kind.
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