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Old Dec 6, 2007, 11:51 am   #61 (permalink) (top)
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Yes, and he sees just beyond those possiblities, in exact references. Some choices can have the same consequences. Perhaps God can see these outcomes at much diffrent levels then mortals, (which im sure he does.)
Right but he still would not know which choices we would make, because of our free will.
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if god does not have free will, how do we know he is even conscious, he might as well be a force of nature doing its job. you can't pray to a force of nature (and expect a response) you can't expect a force of nature to perform a miracle or interact in any personal way. it would be a creator god, but nothing more.

And god cannot see the future if its not written, hes still all knowing if he knows everything that is, how can one know what isn't
Why are you still assuming God doesn't have free will?
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I'm not sure what distinguishes the future from the "absolute" future, but if a god can know the outcome of decisions, how is that different from seeing the future?
If the future is an entity, a thing, then wouldn't a god have created it, and wouldn't he then know it?
Future is not an entity......it's a word to describe events that haven't happened yet, which is still not an entity. But it doesn't matter. God may know the exact date the Eath blows up, or knows when Mt. St. Helens will erupt, but he doesn't know if you'll go to heaven or hell, because it is totally up to you.....Get it?
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If you don't have free will you don't have the ability to choose, god created us and the universe not because he wanted to but because he had to, he's more like a volcano, a force of nature, a volcano doesn't decide to erupt it just does.
Forces of nature RESPOND to needs. Plant's have their natural processes because it is way they need to survive. Butterflies gain camouflage because of the need to hide themselves. What need would God have to create human beings? Or the universe in general for that matter?
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Old Dec 6, 2007, 12:06 pm   #62 (permalink) (top)
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If you don't have free will you don't have the ability to choose, god created us and the universe not because he wanted to but because he had to, he's more like a volcano, a force of nature, a volcano doesn't decide to erupt it just does.
One could argue that he just has a sort of goal or a reason for his existance, not just to have the universe as a playpin and have us in some sort of puppet show for his entertainment. Perhaps he has some grand mission in his existance, and we are either apart of that or here to help him do something about it when we go to Heaven or Hell. Who knows? But by this reasoning it could be said that he does still have a free will to do as he pleases. Who knows?


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