There simply is no God

[Lullaby Chainer]

Why I lack belief in God.

1.There are dozens of pre-Christian gods and messiahs that were born on December 25th, of a virgin, who had 12 disciples, performed miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water, crucified and resurrected three days later, and are known, by their inventors and followers, as such things like the Lamb of God and the King of Kings. Jesus is the most recent of a long list of plagiarized gods and holds no credibility. In fact, the entire Christian myth is taken directly from Egyptian myth. For instance, the 10 commandments are from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The founders of Christianity acknowledged this but offered that Satan crafted the Pagan world to discredit Jesus. This explanation is still held by many religious leaders today.

2.Out of the 40 historians or so that lived during or soon after the supposed life of Jesus, none of them document any Jesus figure. It is ludicrous to think that a man who did all of the things ascribed to Jesus in the Bible would go completely undocumented by the many historians of the time. The Bible itself was written decades after the supposed life of Jesus.

3.The Christian justice system is a barbaric, idiotic, and ridiculous bifurcated mess of extreme bias and lop-sided foundations. Christianity takes crimes as despicable as murder, rape, cruelty, genocide, and so forth and deems them forgivable by an act as trivial as accepting Jesus as your savior. What moral foundations are there that back up the forgiveness of horrible deeds by simply accepting something that, demonstratively, does no statistical good at reversing these evil behaviors.

4.Furthermore, on the topic of a deranged justice system, the Bible condemns those who want to believe in God, but can't, with Hell. Many atheists and deists would love to believe the Christian story, and even attempt so regularly, but reason, logic, science, and rationality enslave them from believing in nonsense. The crime of intellectual honesty harms no one, but the Bible sees it worthy of eternal punishment. In fact, if I may ask, what finite sin is deserving of infinite punishment? Any sin that leads others to Hell is not a reasonable example of a sin deserving of Hell because that, in logic, is circular. The conclusion of the argument is assumed in the premise.

5.No Christian has been able to sensibly defend why the means of enlightenment, the story of Jesus, is so poor of a method of conversion that the room for conflict is not only vast, but invited. A test of faith is not an acceptable answer. There is no test of faith worth the infinite damnation of billions.

6.No Christian has been able to sensibly defend why the Bible is completely scientifically wrong as well as logically contradicting. This problem leads millions away from the Christian god, and once again, a test of faith is not an acceptable answer. There is no test of faith worth the infinite damnation of billions.

7.I can't worship a God that supports slavery or the stoning of children.

8.Christianity, and religion in general, is a proven cancer to society. It has been shown that the more secular nations, in general, experience far less rates of violence and are more charitable in that they give more foreign aid to struggling countries. Atheists, being a moderate proportion of the USA population (about 8-16%) are disproportionately less numerous in the prison population (0.21%). Why would the holy works of a perfect being be so ineffective if not hazardous?

Look me in the eye and tell me.. "you deserve Hell."

You must be addressing at least one of the above 8 when posting in this thread. No going off-topic.

[Jack]

I think you mistyped #7, either that or you want god to be really nasty.

[HelioPrime]

I'll just address them all and say congrats. You've given your reasons for your opinion.

[The Bacon Guy]

Strictly speaking, the title should be "there simply is no Christian God". Not that I believe for one femtosecond in a non-Christian God; I just like things to be accurate.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Based on those 8 points, and the fact your an atheist, whom do you hate?

[HelioPrime]

hmm just to touch on 8: Last I checked isn't the highest suicide rate of first world nations held by the northern European nations. Which also have some of the lowest numbers of religious people according to polls.

Just thought I'd point out in strict numbers terms suicide rates are higher in the more secular regions.

[The Bacon Guy]

I believe North Korea has one of the highest suicide rates in the world, as well as one of the largest atheist populations. Still, that might have something to do with the whole fascist-communist dictatoriship thing...

Either way, societal effects and perceptions of religion, or lack thereof, shouldn't really matter in terms of determining the objective truth, or lack again thereof, of a religion.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Helio, while I was on the interweb today I discovered a lady called 'Mother Teresa', was she a cancer too?

[triad]

God is dog backwards.


OH! and he doesn't exist!

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow Helio, while I was on the interweb today I discovered a lady called 'Mother Teresa', was she a cancer too?

Why ask me?

I simply noted that among developed nations suicide seems to be highest in the more secular ones. Just find it odd we can "prove" religion is a cancer on society thus implying society is better off in a more secular nation.

The highest rates are really among the less developed nations such the balkan states and south america but I was counting developed nations.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Isherwood I think you mistyped #7, either that or you want god to be really nasty.

Thanks, I fixed it.

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow Based on those 8 points, and the fact your an atheist, whom do you hate?

Hm..

I hate some of my exes..

Sometimes I hate my dad (but not always).

I often hate myself.

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

[Century 25]

[quote=Lullaby Chainer;448168]Why I lack belief in God.

Item's 1 through 8.. 'Ya aced it kid..

[Jack_Sparrow]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer Hm.. I hate some of my exes.. Sometimes I hate my dad (but not always). I often hate myself. I'm not sure what you're trying to ask.

The humans did it, not God, I believe that above anything else my agnostic mind might suggest


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[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow The humans did it, not God, I believe that above anything else my agnostic mind might suggest edited

...?

What the Hell are you talking about?

I don't blame God for my bitchy exes or when my dad's an asshole.

However, if God designed this world, he HAD to have designed the chemical functions in our brains that push some of us into murdering or worse. If God didn't create these chemicals, then who did? Satan? The murderer? Santa? Unlikely -and- God still allowed it.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Your just ranting on about how evil God would be if he was real... it doesnt follow there is no God proven case and point.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow Your just ranting on about how evil God would be if he was real... it doesnt follow there is no God proven case and point.

No, Jack, I'm show internal inconsistencies in the Bible which happen to resemble human ignorance rather than the divine described in the Bible.

[HelioPrime]

Your also ranting assuming that all actions are direct results of our how our brains are built.

Your basically discounting the idea if will power, that we don't decide to murder someone, your brain is already built to decide to do the action.

[Jack_Sparrow]

Quote by: Lullaby Chainer No, Jack, I'm show internal inconsistencies in the Bible which happen to resemble human ignorance rather than the divine described in the Bible.

That isnt all you said, you also state christianity is a cancer to society, the forgiveness concept statistically leads to more evil and generally the christian justice system leads to evil. Also consider your subsequent posts where you argue the evil done by man must be God's fault (if he exists) as he designed their 'chemical brains'

If an athiest blows his brains out, he is condemed to non existence, which is hell from my point of view, along with many religious and after life believers point of view, even though it was a finite action, an extreme consequence results. I would rather hell than non existence, if given the choice.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow That isnt all you said, you also state christianity is a cancer to society, the forgiveness concept statistically leads to more evil and generally the christian justice system leads to evil.

Last sentence, buddy.

"Why would the holy works of a perfect being be so ineffective if not hazardous?"

I'd expect such inefficiency from a group of men, which is where it's REALLY from.

Quote by: Jack_Sparrow Also consider your subsequent posts where you argue the evil done by man must be God's fault (if he exists) as he designed their 'chemical brains' If an athiest blows his brains out, he is condemed to non existence, which is hell from my point of view, along with many religious and after life believers point of view, even though it was a finite action, an extreme consequence results. I would rather hell than non existence, if given the choice.

Your point?

Quote by: HelioPrime Your also ranting assuming that all actions are direct results of our how our brains are built. Your basically discounting the idea if will power, that we don't decide to murder someone, your brain is already built to decide to do the action.

Actually, I said "However, if God designed this world, he HAD to have designed the chemical functions in our brains that push some of us into murdering or worse."

It DOES, for a matter of fact, push some into the mindset capable of murder. Without these chemical functions, there would be no urge to murder, kill, rape, torture, and so forth. That's a fact, Helio. I have done nothing of the sort that you say I have. We have the willpower to fight these urges, that's beyond obvious, but like I ACTUALLY SAID.. " the chemical functions in our brains that push some of us into murdering or worse."

[Chimera]

You, in every sigle topic that exists in this board, make far too many assumptions of Christian's and seem to ignore EVERYTHING that contradicts your Christian hating.