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Kuldeep · Oct 30, 2007, 03:21 am

Death is one section of life span though momentary. Birth, having somewhat variable period depending on the type and complicacy of birth. Then, we have period of growth, youth period and then aging into old personality before the final momentary death. From conception to that final momentary death stage, I do not realy think, whether any of the processes to attain those stages, is painful to the person.

At conception neither egg or sperm must be feeling pain since, there is no brain or nervous system. While at birth the mother does feel pain but I do think the infant must be feeling it. During growth of bones or size of the body, youth stage or aging, it is felt none of the processes are pain giving. From this I conclude, even the final jolt of death also must not be a pain giving. Meaning just before any type of death, one must be getting unconcious and thus death may not pain giving process !!!

What do others think, whether death is pain giving or not ???

samsara15 · Oct 30, 2007, 08:02 am

I don't think death in itself is painful; however, the process of dying certainly can be quite painful. Having no memories of dying, none of us can say for certain. I think death will be like going to sleep, or should I say that is my best guess? We'll all find out soon enough.

ShOuLdEr · Oct 30, 2007, 01:04 pm

death itself is a release from pain. Of course its likely that whatever causes the death is painful...it usually is unless you die in your sleep or you die instantly.

5010 · Oct 30, 2007, 03:15 pm

One of the things that has been found to occur during death is the release of Dimethyltryptamine, or DMT. I think death would become quite "trippy".

From the wiki:

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Dr. Rick Strassman, while conducting DMT research in the 1990s at the University of New Mexico, advanced the theory that a massive release of DMT from the pineal gland prior to death or near death was the cause of the near death experience (NDE) phenomenon.

This substance is on USA schedule I, which means every person in the country is a criminal since our brains often produce small amounts of it naturally.

The Bacon Guy · Oct 30, 2007, 06:17 pm

Death is defined as the moment that the brain ceases all electrical activity. It's therefore instantaneous and hence can't be painful.

Dying may be painful depending on how you go about it.

butterbut · Oct 30, 2007, 10:50 pm

"Easier than falling asleep"

another day · Oct 31, 2007, 12:05 am

Death is the end of pain.

Suburbanite · Oct 31, 2007, 01:40 am

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Quote by: 5010

One of the things that has been found to occur during death is the release of Dimethyltryptamine, or DMT. I think death would become quite "trippy".

From the wiki:

This substance is on USA schedule I, which means every person in the country is a criminal since our brains often produce small amounts of it naturally.

apparently this is responsible for the "white light effect" as well.

Kuldeep · Oct 31, 2007, 02:08 am

Well, it is imagined mostly that point of death is painless as by that time all sensory nerves and brain is already functionless. That should help us not to fear death.

Now the process of death till point of death (point of getting imaginary electronic circuit switch off) might be or might not be painful. The main question here arises, "WHO is the controller of the electric switch ??" Who decides that at this particular point of time the switch should get off??

My answer to this question is the dying person, himself. Who is this dying person ? One who feels pain, one who thinks he is such and such person. One who has emotions. Most probably it is none from the physical parts of his body. This is because when a person dies HIS body is left behind; we say HE has died, May HIS soul rest in peace !!!
There is no difficulty in deducing that HE is not even soul. We may give it a term he is some sort of consciousness !!!

HE IS SUPERNATURAL, WHO HAS THIS BODY AS JUST AN VEHICLE !!!!

samsara15 · Oct 31, 2007, 08:28 am

Brahman has the body. Brahman IS the body. We only borrow it. Our perception of 'I' is an illusion, since 'I' is just another manifestation of Brahman. 'I' ceases to exist when the body dies, and merges back into Brahman. That's a religious interpretation, of course.

From an atheistic standpoint, the person dies when the body dies, and that's the end of the person, there only being a purely material world.

Perhaps there really isn't much difference between the two interpretations, or as much difference as it might seem.

The dying person often is not conscious enough to pull the switch.

The Christian interpretation of death, however, is somewhat different, and so is the Muslim belief. I do not feel competent to speak for their viewpoints, since there are many variations of their beliefs.

Jagged · Oct 31, 2007, 11:35 pm

Samsara, I'm not sure you even attempted to answer the given question.

I doubt death is painful- there i see no reason for it to be. It's probably like just getting really drowsy and going out cold- except the brain just loses function.

I mean, in going to sleep your brain withdraws all conscious feelings, right? Should death, then, be the same feeling except for the fact that the body isn't prepared/preparing to wake back up again? I guess we don't know how different that would feel, but my guess is not much.

Kuldeep · Nov 1, 2007, 02:00 am

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Samsara, I'm not sure you even attempted to answer the given question.

I doubt death is painful- there i see no reason for it to be. It's probably like just getting really drowsy and going out cold- except the brain just loses function.

I mean, in going to sleep your brain withdraws all conscious feelings, right? Should death, then, be the same feeling except for the fact that the body isn't prepared/preparing to wake back up again? I guess we don't know how different that would feel, but my guess is not much.

Well done! Precisely same is my definition of death. It is just a sleep but no waking again...a permanent sleep. Since, entering into our sleep is not pain giving so must not be death as well.

But, what I am wondering is whether after death, we go into dream stage as during sleep. A temporary sleep sends us into temporary dream. Can we deduce from this "A PERMANENT SLEEP SENDS US INTO PERMANENT DREAM ????"...in the form of reincarnated body or next birth's scenes.

I am saying this as a possibility with some surety as we have number of persons who remember their previous birth's incidences which have been verified beyond any doubt. Though, we can not prove those scientifically !!!

triad · Nov 1, 2007, 04:04 am

A few weeks ago I woke up from about 6 hours of sleep - I was exhausted because I worked the hardest week of my life.

I experienced the most insane, scary thing, I thought I was going to die - "Sleep Paralysis."

If you don't know what that means, Is it normal for your brain to wake up before your body? - Yahoo! Answers, read that. I looked it up the day it happened to me because I remembered hearing about it on an old "Mystery Files" episode and thought that people who said this happens to them were lieing.

I am getting to a point here that is relevant to the OP...

So when I awoke, I could not move my body; I thought I was dieing. Hopefully that is the closest to thinking I am dieing I will ever get until I actually die - I thought I was for sure a goner.

Now here is what really interested me about this occurrence:

I felt like I was unable to move for about 25 seconds, for the first 15 I had a panic attack and started to freak-out, once I realized I could not move at all - I calmed myself down and awaited death. I wasn't scared anymore - I just braced myself for the end.

Then - my legs started shaking and I gained control of my body again. Of course I was relieved and felt like I just survived a plane crash... just so happy that my life wasn't over.

However, the moment that I felt calm, it was a very voluntary and controlled reaction to what was happening, and the only pain I felt was the thought of never seeing my loved ones again.

When you take actual death and consider it's properties, the feelings you get are involuntary. The body is designed to die pleasantly given natural circumstances that are not medical problems like heart attack or a stroke. Therefore, death cannot hurt - because if my will power can shut-out fear and accept the end, then the aid of bodily-produced drugs would certainly not be painful - but a euphoric end to a hopefully fulfilling life.

Death must only be scary when we are alive, because once you experience it you no longer fear it's unknown entities.

Kuldeep · Nov 1, 2007, 04:49 am

@ Triad

Thanks for providing your experience and the link about sleep paralysis. Reading this has removed my some doubts, which I was having while analysing sleep, dream and death with myself. One important deduction from sleep paralysis is that body is getting paralysed during dream while; mind is actively conscious. This is the door step for analysing death.

Mind (beyond physical electrical impulse or neurons activity) is active centring about what you call as YOU and is active and conscious, while the whole of physical body including physical brain is pralysed or better word is "dead". This way YOU live as conscious mind without body as well, what generally is called in SOUL form !!! This is some indication of life after death exists. So we need not fear death, which is just one step next to sleep paralysis.

From the above, I need my previous notion change that death occurs in unconscious state. Now, I can feel with confidence that death occurs in full consciousness state. We literally go into a permanent dream as I doubted in my last post !!!!

Oct 30, 2007, 03:21 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,659	Is death painful ? Death is one section of life span though momentary. Birth, having somewhat variable period depending on the type and complicacy of birth. Then, we have period of growth, youth period and then aging into old personality before the final momentary death. From conception to that final momentary death stage, I do not realy think, whether any of the processes to attain those stages, is painful to the person. At conception neither egg or sperm must be feeling pain since, there is no brain or nervous system. While at birth the mother does feel pain but I do think the infant must be feeling it. During growth of bones or size of the body, youth stage or aging, it is felt none of the processes are pain giving. From this I conclude, even the final jolt of death also must not be a pain giving. Meaning just before any type of death, one must be getting unconcious and thus death may not pain giving process !!! What do others think, whether death is pain giving or not ???

Oct 30, 2007, 08:02 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 I'm the camel Location: Maryland Posts: 657	I don't think death in itself is painful; however, the process of dying certainly can be quite painful. Having no memories of dying, none of us can say for certain. I think death will be like going to sleep, or should I say that is my best guess? We'll all find out soon enough. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97

Oct 30, 2007, 10:50 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
butterbut UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211	"Easier than falling asleep" "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr

Oct 31, 2007, 08:28 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
samsara15 I'm the camel Location: Maryland Posts: 657	Brahman has the body. Brahman IS the body. We only borrow it. Our perception of 'I' is an illusion, since 'I' is just another manifestation of Brahman. 'I' ceases to exist when the body dies, and merges back into Brahman. That's a religious interpretation, of course. From an atheistic standpoint, the person dies when the body dies, and that's the end of the person, there only being a purely material world. Perhaps there really isn't much difference between the two interpretations, or as much difference as it might seem. The dying person often is not conscious enough to pull the switch. The Christian interpretation of death, however, is somewhat different, and so is the Muslim belief. I do not feel competent to speak for their viewpoints, since there are many variations of their beliefs. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97

Nov 1, 2007, 04:04 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
triad automatic Posts: 461	A few weeks ago I woke up from about 6 hours of sleep - I was exhausted because I worked the hardest week of my life. I experienced the most insane, scary thing, I thought I was going to die - "Sleep Paralysis." If you don't know what that means, Is it normal for your brain to wake up before your body? - Yahoo! Answers, read that. I looked it up the day it happened to me because I remembered hearing about it on an old "Mystery Files" episode and thought that people who said this happens to them were lieing. I am getting to a point here that is relevant to the OP... So when I awoke, I could not move my body; I thought I was dieing. Hopefully that is the closest to thinking I am dieing I will ever get until I actually die - I thought I was for sure a goner. Now here is what really interested me about this occurrence: I felt like I was unable to move for about 25 seconds, for the first 15 I had a panic attack and started to freak-out, once I realized I could not move at all - I calmed myself down and awaited death. I wasn't scared anymore - I just braced myself for the end. Then - my legs started shaking and I gained control of my body again. Of course I was relieved and felt like I just survived a plane crash... just so happy that my life wasn't over. However, the moment that I felt calm, it was a very voluntary and controlled reaction to what was happening, and the only pain I felt was the thought of never seeing my loved ones again. When you take actual death and consider it's properties, the feelings you get are involuntary. The body is designed to die pleasantly given natural circumstances that are not medical problems like heart attack or a stroke. Therefore, death cannot hurt - because if my will power can shut-out fear and accept the end, then the aid of bodily-produced drugs would certainly not be painful - but a euphoric end to a hopefully fulfilling life. Death must only be scary when we are alive, because once you experience it you no longer fear it's unknown entities. This is my signature.

Oct 30, 2007, 01:04 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
ShOuLdEr Molten Ash Location: Illinois Posts: 62	death itself is a release from pain. Of course its likely that whatever causes the death is painful...it usually is unless you die in your sleep or you die instantly.

Oct 30, 2007, 06:17 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,189	Death is defined as the moment that the brain ceases all electrical activity. It's therefore instantaneous and hence can't be painful. Dying may be painful depending on how you go about it.

Oct 31, 2007, 12:05 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
another day slipping sand Posts: 1,977	Death is the end of pain.

Oct 31, 2007, 02:08 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,659	Well, it is imagined mostly that point of death is painless as by that time all sensory nerves and brain is already functionless. That should help us not to fear death. Now the process of death till point of death (point of getting imaginary electronic circuit switch off) might be or might not be painful. The main question here arises, "WHO is the controller of the electric switch ??" Who decides that at this particular point of time the switch should get off?? My answer to this question is the dying person, himself. Who is this dying person ? One who feels pain, one who thinks he is such and such person. One who has emotions. Most probably it is none from the physical parts of his body. This is because when a person dies HIS body is left behind; we say HE has died, May HIS soul rest in peace !!! There is no difficulty in deducing that HE is not even soul. We may give it a term he is some sort of consciousness !!! HE IS SUPERNATURAL, WHO HAS THIS BODY AS JUST AN VEHICLE !!!!

Oct 31, 2007, 11:35 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Jagged 99 Red Balloons Location: Washington DC Posts: 274	Samsara, I'm not sure you even attempted to answer the given question. I doubt death is painful- there i see no reason for it to be. It's probably like just getting really drowsy and going out cold- except the brain just loses function. I mean, in going to sleep your brain withdraws all conscious feelings, right? Should death, then, be the same feeling except for the fact that the body isn't prepared/preparing to wake back up again? I guess we don't know how different that would feel, but my guess is not much.

Nov 1, 2007, 04:49 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,659	@ Triad Thanks for providing your experience and the link about sleep paralysis. Reading this has removed my some doubts, which I was having while analysing sleep, dream and death with myself. One important deduction from sleep paralysis is that body is getting paralysed during dream while; mind is actively conscious. This is the door step for analysing death. Mind (beyond physical electrical impulse or neurons activity) is active centring about what you call as YOU and is active and conscious, while the whole of physical body including physical brain is pralysed or better word is "dead". This way YOU live as conscious mind without body as well, what generally is called in SOUL form !!! This is some indication of life after death exists. So we need not fear death, which is just one step next to sleep paralysis. From the above, I need my previous notion change that death occurs in unconscious state. Now, I can feel with confidence that death occurs in full consciousness state. We literally go into a permanent dream as I doubted in my last post !!!!