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butterbut · Oct 21, 2007, 01:44 pm

I don't understand Lennon. If there is nothing to live or die for then what is the meaning of life?

tinybear · Oct 21, 2007, 01:51 pm

Life has no meaning. You just try your best to be as happy as possible for as long as possible and then you die. It's that simple. :)

jose · Oct 21, 2007, 02:22 pm

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I don't understand Lennon. If there is nothing to live or die for then what is the meaning of life?

meaning no ideal out side of you, to live or die for.
live for you

Athena · Oct 21, 2007, 03:05 pm

I live and would die for democracy. It is incomprehensible to me to to enjoy life without such a sense of meaning.

ZNFYRH · Oct 21, 2007, 05:44 pm

I live for my wife and children.

The Bacon Guy · Oct 21, 2007, 07:39 pm

I live to see what happens next.

Thanatos · Oct 21, 2007, 09:51 pm

**Jack** · Oct 22, 2007, 12:20 am

I'm not suicidal, that's too painful and final. So I'm stuck here until accident or old age claims me. In the meantime, I try to amuse myself.

loser · Oct 22, 2007, 12:48 am

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I don't understand Lennon. If there is nothing to live or die for then what is the meaning of life?

The John Lennon song, "Imagine", was a response to all of the violence and wars fought in the name of religion. England and Northern Ireland have had a terrorist-style war between Protestants and Catholics like forever. This turmoil has spawned a lot of great songs over the years by many different groups, including U2, the Cranberries, and Sinead O'Connor.

Leaving a wife and children behind (some of which we know he loved), I bet he wishes he could take those words back.

I wonder:

Did he die for NOTHING?

Kuldeep · Oct 22, 2007, 01:42 am

Whatever Lennon meant from his core of heart by saying "Nothing to live or die for" it is absolutely true that "Everybody lives basically for himselfn only". As regards death, I do not that think anybody till now has seen his own death. So, one dies for others not for himself. I feel he continues to live and live and live only; sometimes with body as cover and sometimes without body cover !!!

Kuldeep · Oct 22, 2007, 01:47 am

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I live and would die for democracy. It is incomprehensible to me to to enjoy life without such a sense of meaning.

By the way, what it means democracy to you ???

I am sure you cannot love democracy more than your own life. When your life does not remain or, you dot not exist to watch, what good of that democracy or anything else to exist for you !!!

Osborn F Enready · Oct 22, 2007, 10:08 am

The ONLY thing worth living and dying for are your OWN values.

ItsDarts · Oct 22, 2007, 10:25 am

Assuming you all are talking about John Lennons song, IMAGINE, he never said "Nothing to live or die for"

That refrain goes like this.....

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Source

So instead of having spearate countries and religions, he's imagining a world where the entire planet is united as one. The song is refering to an ultimate Socialist planet. Not Socialist by the Communist standard, but rather a more peaceful standard.

Personally, I think this would take centuries to acheive through education. The biggest hurdel is greed and the need for power. We will never see it in our life time. :(

butterbut · Oct 22, 2007, 12:34 pm

Wow it makes sense now

.

tinybear · Oct 22, 2007, 01:14 pm

John Lennon had a great imagination.

butterbut · Oct 22, 2007, 06:33 pm

What a second! If there is nothing to kill or die for then doesn't that mean there is nothing to live for?

Suburbanite · Oct 22, 2007, 06:54 pm

no, if there is nothing to die for then it means there is everything to live for

ItsDarts · Oct 22, 2007, 08:00 pm

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What a second! If there is nothing to kill or die for then doesn't that mean there is nothing to live for?

Not when you take the entire song into context. But the refrain I quoted should be enough to explain the context of that verse.

Zhavric · Oct 22, 2007, 09:10 pm

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I don't understand Lennon. If there is nothing to live or die for then what is the meaning of life?

It's not a new message: "Give Peace a Chance" — we're not being unreasonable, just saying, "Give it a chance." With "Imagine," we're saying, "Can you imagine a world without countries or religions?" It's the same message over and over. And it's positive.[6]

-John Lennon

Praxius · Oct 22, 2007, 10:00 pm

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Assuming you all are talking about John Lennons song, IMAGINE, he never said "Nothing to live or die for"

That refrain goes like this.....

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

Source

So instead of having spearate countries and religions, he's imagining a world where the entire planet is united as one. The song is refering to an ultimate Socialist planet. Not Socialist by the Communist standard, but rather a more peaceful standard.

Personally, I think this would take centuries to acheive through education. The biggest hurdel is greed and the need for power. We will never see it in our life time. :(

Yeah that's what I was going to say.... he was basically saying none of the above to kill or die for, therefore nothing to kill or die for.... just live the life where you help out your fellow human and better yourself through time. The more you do for humanity, the more you're noticed. The more noticed you are, the more you're down in the history books and people will talk about you... the longer you're in the books for your good deeds and what you done for humanity, you basically live forever.

This also works for those who do evil things which people continually talk about, as reminders.

Then again, it's all about interpretation.

Oct 21, 2007, 01:44 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
butterbut UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211	"Nothing to live or die for" I don't understand Lennon. If there is nothing to live or die for then what is the meaning of life? "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr

Oct 21, 2007, 05:44 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	I live for my wife and children. IT'S A BOY!!

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Oct 22, 2007, 12:20 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,371	I'm not suicidal, that's too painful and final. So I'm stuck here until accident or old age claims me. In the meantime, I try to amuse myself. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Oct 22, 2007, 10:08 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	The ONLY thing worth living and dying for are your OWN values. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Oct 21, 2007, 01:51 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017	Life has no meaning. You just try your best to be as happy as possible for as long as possible and then you die. It's that simple. :)

Oct 21, 2007, 03:05 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Athena Volcanic Erupter Location: Oregon Posts: 5,172	I live and would die for democracy. It is incomprehensible to me to to enjoy life without such a sense of meaning.

Oct 21, 2007, 07:39 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,043	I live to see what happens next.

Oct 22, 2007, 01:42 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep Kuldeep Location: Bhopa, M.P, India Posts: 1,640	Whatever Lennon meant from his core of heart by saying "Nothing to live or die for" it is absolutely true that "Everybody lives basically for himselfn only". As regards death, I do not that think anybody till now has seen his own death. So, one dies for others not for himself. I feel he continues to live and live and live only; sometimes with body as cover and sometimes without body cover !!!

Oct 22, 2007, 10:25 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
ItsDarts 13.7B Light Years+ Location: 42 N, 83 W Posts: 954	Assuming you all are talking about John Lennons song, IMAGINE, he never said "Nothing to live or die for" That refrain goes like this..... Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in peace Source So instead of having spearate countries and religions, he's imagining a world where the entire planet is united as one. The song is refering to an ultimate Socialist planet. Not Socialist by the Communist standard, but rather a more peaceful standard. Personally, I think this would take centuries to acheive through education. The biggest hurdel is greed and the need for power. We will never see it in our life time. :( God is superfluous, nuff said Life Made Easy, without a god Big Bang Misconceptions String Theory for the Layman

Oct 22, 2007, 12:34 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
butterbut UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211	Wow it makes sense now. "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr

Oct 22, 2007, 01:14 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017	John Lennon had a great imagination.

Oct 22, 2007, 06:33 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
butterbut UCFKnight Location: UCF Posts: 211	What a second! If there is nothing to kill or die for then doesn't that mean there is nothing to live for? "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men." - General George S. Patton, Jr

Oct 22, 2007, 06:54 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	no, if there is nothing to die for then it means there is everything to live for