Why so many attacks on Christianity?

[Zhavric]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Myopic, Zhavric.

Spam reported.

Wild exagerated claims. If you actually bothered to support your arguments rather than maing rants, you'd be a debator... of course, that would lead to actually having to address arguments rather than ignoring them.

[Nigh Eve]

Quote by: butterbut I get the feeling that many people here simply hate Christianity.

I hold a strong disliking towards Christianity.

If an equivalent amount of people believed that teh earth was flat, would you dislike that idea too? "Attack" it?

Of course, I wouldn't suppress or oppress but I can still not like the idea.

Quote by: butterbut It bothers me that they attack religion becuase religion generally helps society.

It does? You said religion (an organized idea) helps society. But it's the people, yes? If you didn't have Christianity would you still help people? Would people still organize in the name of helping society?

If the flat-worlders helped society, would you still feel like attacking the idea as an idea? And perhaps some of the hardcore flat-worlders while you were at it...who pushed the idea of a flat world into your science courses?

*shrug* I'm not going to debate Christianity here, but that's the equivalent imo. And it is the same with similiar ideas. Zhavric put it easily.

Quote by: Zhavric There's only so many times you can hear the intellectual equivalent of "1+1=3" before you have to correct the person who stated it.

No matter their personality.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Zhavric Spam reported. Wild exagerated claims. If you actually bothered to support your arguments rather than maing rants, you'd be a debator... of course, that would lead to actually having to address arguments rather than ignoring them.

Some believe Christianity to be so logically untenable that even the weakest, stupidest, most pointless and off-topic argument from their fingertips can damage, overload, or tear-in-half anything that a Christian might say. Therefore, they don't even look to see what the argument was before declaring themselves victor.

Thanks. You seem to be making all of my points for me.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Thanks. You seem to be making all of my points for me.

Nope. You're just doing what you always do: spamming up the thread without actually supporting any of your arguments or addressing those of your opposition.

[phoenix_fire]

Hardly. Talking about the abuses of anti-theists is spot on with the point of the OP. You on the other hand....well, I'll leave it for the mods to sort out.

[Matt W]

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[ZNFYRH]

It's not believers (theists), no proofers (agnostics), or opposite believers (atheists) that are the problem.

It's the ultra- of each that is the problem.

Believe and know that you can't scientifically prove it... fine with me.

Know it and insist that you are absolutely right and everyone not you is stupid?

Problem.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: butterbut I know its a debate forum but like, Pheonix, I get the feeling that many people here simply hate Christianity. It bothers me that they attack religion becuase religion generally helps society.

It isn't that they attack religion, it's that they single out one religion about which they know practically nothing (based on their idiotic misrepresentations). Why aren't they attacking Judaism, Islam, Bahai, Hinduism, Animism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, etc.? They start numerous threads that show clear animus toward Christianity and then they stupidly demand that Christians must prove themselves using only naturalistic explanations.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: butterbut Why so many attacks on Christianity? Why is like every other thread attacking Christianity? Why do you care so much about what other people believe? Just worry about yourself. Stop wasting your time.

#1
Some guys like to post something "extra" :-)

#2
Your advice seems not to be working, for long-time.
There are some guys that like to debate anything, regardless of logic, accuracy, correct data, etc.
Christianity is not the exception.

[Athena]

What bothers me is Christians asking why there is an objection to Christianity, and then not responding to the explanation.

[Athena]

Quote by: Chancellor It isn't that they attack religion, it's that they single out one religion about which they know practically nothing (based on their idiotic misrepresentations). Why aren't they attacking Judaism, Islam, Bahai, Hinduism, Animism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, etc.? They start numerous threads that show clear animus toward Christianity and then they stupidly demand that Christians must prove themselves using only naturalistic explanations.

I try to be careful to speak of all those who believe in the God of Abraham, or any god who rules by whim, and therefore, is a supernatural being, which is the meaning of superstition. I do not single out Christians, until it comes to things the Christains are doing in my country and my neighborhood that are objectionable, or bringing us to unjust wars and the immoral destruction of human life. I have clarified these things and I am looking for a response to my answer to why I object specifically to Christianity.

[freefallife]

It's not that we are singling out Christianity, it just that the majority of theist on this site seem, to me anyway, to be christian.

[rez]

Quote by: Chancellor It isn't that they attack religion, it's that they single out one religion about which they know practically nothing (based on their idiotic misrepresentations). Why aren't they attacking Judaism, Islam, Bahai, Hinduism, Animism, Rastafarianism, Zoroastrianism, Gnosticism, etc.?

I don't know about you, but I sure as hell am attacking those religions too. All those religions require their followers to hold a double standard and be magical thinkers. Christianity certainly is not the only religion that uses spells and magic, so I don't know why you would think I am just attacking Christianity.

They start numerous threads that show clear animus toward Christianity and then they stupidly demand that Christians must prove themselves using only naturalistic explanations.

"only naturalistic explanations" you sure are a riot my friend. Simply show us why your explanation on how reality works is better then another persons explanation. Who is stopping you from doing so? If your explanation can actually work and provide useful results for society, then why don't you present it? If you think your hocas pocas is so real, then show us how real it is and people from all over the world will understand that you have the explanation that works. They won't consider you a magical thinker loon that doesn't provide the goods when they say they have them.

So do it smart mouth, and stop your silly bullshit "they are attacking me" crap argument.

[butterbut]

Quote by: Athena I try to be careful to speak of all those who believe in the God of Abraham, or any god who rules by whim, and therefore, is a supernatural being, which is the meaning of superstition. I do not single out Christians, until it comes to things the Christains are doing in my country and my neighborhood that are objectionable, or bringing us to unjust wars and the immoral destruction of human life. I have clarified these things and I am looking for a response to my answer to why I object specifically to Christianity.

I understand you perfectly. Like I said before, it bothers me that every other thread is "debunking the Jesus myth". There must be something else to debate about religion.

[freefallife]

Quote by: butterbut I understand you perfectly. Like I said before, it bothers me that every other thread is "debunking the Jesus myth". There must be something else to debate about religion.

you want to debate something else?? START A THREAD!!!:confused:

[butterbut]

Just did.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Athena I try to be careful to speak of all those who believe in the God of Abraham, or any god who rules by whim, and therefore, is a supernatural being, which is the meaning of superstition.

I don't know that I would call it "whim" but it is true that we believe in a God that is absolutely sovereign.

I do not single out Christians, until it comes to things the Christains are doing in my country and my neighborhood that are objectionable, or bringing us to unjust wars and the immoral destruction of human life. I have clarified these things and I am looking for a response to my answer to why I object specifically to Christianity.

But there's a difference between singling out Christians for what Christians do and singling out Christianity for criticisms that apply to pretty much all religions or singling out Christianity because some of these people here have a particular animus toward that religion based on nothing more than their own wrongheaded notions about Christianity.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: rez I don't know about you, but I sure as hell am attacking those religions too.

You haven't been doing that here on Volconvo.

All those religions require their followers to hold a double standard and be magical thinkers.

What double standards would those be?

Christianity certainly is not the only religion that uses spells and magic, so I don't know why you would think I am just attacking Christianity.

What spells and magic does Christianity use?

"only naturalistic explanations" you sure are a riot my friend.

Some here on Volconvo will not accept any explanation that is not a naturalistic one.

Simply show us why your explanation on how reality works is better then another persons explanation.

I don't recall anyone here having specifically asking people of faith to show why their explanation of reality works better than some other explanation.

Who is stopping you from doing so?

Why do we need to? Not that anyone here said Christians were being denied the opportunity to argue their position (though some people here have insisted that explanations must be naturalistic ones).

If your explanation can actually work and provide useful results for society, then why don't you present it?

Again, why do we need to? Who are you to demand that Christians or Jews or Muslims or Hindus or Rastafarians or people of other religions give account to you?

If you think your hocas pocas is so real, then show us how real it is and people from all over the world will understand that you have the explanation that works. They won't consider you a magical thinker loon that doesn't provide the goods when they say they have them.

Go back to my comments on naturalistic explanations.

[Jack]

But there's a difference between singling out Christians for what Christians do and singling out Christianity for criticisms that apply to pretty much all religions or singling out Christianity because some of these people here have a particular animus toward that religion based on nothing more than their own wrongheaded notions about Christianity.

To a point I agree. Christians are no better or worse than other theists. We should be pointing out the errors of all religions and not limiting ourselves to easy targets like Christianity.
As to our "wrongheaded notions", since most of us were once theists I take this to mean our wrongheaded notions about your interpretation of Christianity. It's so hard to keep up with every sect and interpretation out there.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Isherwood To a point I agree. Christians are no better or worse than other theists. We should be pointing out the errors of all religions and not limiting ourselves to easy targets like Christianity. As to our "wrongheaded notions", since most of us were once theists I take this to mean our wrongheaded notions about your interpretation of Christianity. It's so hard to keep up with every sect and interpretation out there.

The only correct "interpretation" of Christianity is the one that is in the New Testament. The standard against which Christianity is to be judged, interpreted, etc. is the New Testament. Too many here want to take the (often unChristian) behavior of Christians and use that as the basis for judging Christianity.