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    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (TwoShanks,)
    I can&#39;t live without air, but I don&#39;t think air is everything. How is art a religion anyway?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
    How is it not?

    . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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    From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

    Main Entry: re·li·gion
    Pronunciation: ri-&#39;li-j&n
    Function: noun
    Etymology: Middle English religioun, from Latin religion-, religio supernatural constraint, sanction, religious practice, perhaps from religare to restrain, tie back -- more at RELY
    Date: 13th century
    1 a : the state of a religious <a nun in her 20th year of religion> b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
    2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
    3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : CONSCIENTIOUSNESS
    4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
    - re·li·gion·less adjective


    I fear that art does not come under these definitions.

    Perhaps you could explain to me why you think art is a religion? Or even what you think the word "religion" means?


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    Than what of fecal matter? And lustful yearnings of pedophiles? Since, by your definition, a religion can be considered legitimate if it cannot be disproven, by extension, both of these things can properly be considered religious doctrines or tools.


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    According to your definition (well, the part that didn&#39;t use the word "religion" in describing itself), the only verifiable markers are: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.

    Art follows pretty much all that. Its entire meaning, if it has any, is that which the observer gives it. How more perfect a system of belief can you get?

    . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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    And what is the "cause, principle or system of belief" that you hold with ardor and faith in relation to art? Is there some kind of special art belief system that nobody told me about? In what do you place your faith in relation to art?


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    Interesting... Okay, so, what does Art have to say in regards to achieving happiness? And what of moral behaviour?


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    What does Christianity say about achieving happiness? Not a damned lot.

    Twoshanks, art is emotional and it isn&#39;t. It&#39;s puritanical and it isn&#39;t. It&#39;s all-enveloping and entirely unnecessary. And you still can&#39;t live without it. You choose to believe in it what you will, however much you will. It&#39;s art. It&#39;s superfluous, and yet it feels right. This is half tongue-in-cheek, and yet it&#39;s certainly got a lot more for it than the big three...

    . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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    I&#39;d agree, Christianity doesn&#39;t say alot. But Buddhism does, considering its major premise is that all life is suffering and in order to escape that suffering, one must... You get the idea. Most religions say alot about happiness, actually.


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    That&#39;s not happiness, that&#39;s contentment. There&#39;s a difference.

    . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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    I disagree, but we&#39;ll assume your right. Does that in some way make your statement that &#39;art is a religion&#39; any less pseudo-intellectual in its nature?


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    That&#39;s assuming religion is intellectual.

    . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

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    ...Actually, its assuming that you are a pseudo-intellectual. But its more of a conclusion than an assumption. Nonetheless.


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