***Warning*** Might insult Muslims: Islam can't be peaceful because of its Prophet

[GHook93]

Islam's prophet was a child molester (even in those days Aisha at 6 was much too young), who forced many of his wives to marry him, a warlord, who regular utilized political assassinations, a tyrant and mass-murderer.

Islam spread by the sword and forced conversions! All the countries that are ruled by Islam today from Egypt to Iran to Morroco to Turkey to Pakistan all were victims of bloody Islamic Arabic crusades, which were touch off by the prophet who started the cult.

If the man who created the cult was like this, can you really call his followers peaceful! He can be liken to all dangerous leaders that had an army mindless followers cough cough Hilter cough cough. Can't say the same about Jesus or Abraham, who were the founders of their religions respectfully! Absolutely not!

True Islam is what the Taliban practiced, that is what their prophet would have endorsed.
Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The prophet as a child molester and forced women to marriage

The status of several of Muhammad's wives is disputed by scholars. Maria al-Qibtiyya may have been a slave, a freed slave, or a wife. Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad. She stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine, when the marriage was consummated.

The Prophet as the Warlord and Political Assasian

Muhammad delivered Qur'anic verses permitting the Muslims to fight the Meccans (see Qur'an 22:39-40)[62]These attacks provoked and pressured Mecca by interfering with trade, and allowed the Muslims to acquire wealth, power and prestige while working toward their ultimate goal of inducing Mecca's submission to the new faith.[63][64] In March of 624, Muhammad led some three hundred warriors in a raid on a Meccan merchant caravan. The Muslims set an ambush for the Meccans at Badr.[65

Muhammad also moved against critics in Medina, ordering the assassination of first the poetess Asma bint Marwan, then the poet Abu Afak.[74] "After these events we may assume that there was little overt opposition to Muhammad among the pagans," Watt states.[75] Muhammad expelled from Medina the Banu Qaynuqa, one of the three main Jewish tribes.

The attack at Badr committed Muhammad to total war with Meccans

The Prophet desired wealth (greed) and forced captured women to marriage

Muhammad also contracted alliances with some groups and attacked others, increasing the wealth of himself and his followers with booty.[86] He expelled the Jewish Banu Nadir, confiscating their land and a large amount of military gear.[87] On some of the raids against outlying tribes, the Muslims captured women. One of the women captured from the Banu al-Mustaliq tribe, Juwayriyya, Muhammad married. She had agreed to this marriage after her captor refused to ransom her.[88]

Assassination was a key for the Prophet, no wonder suicide bombers are so highly valued throughout the Islamic world.

Further assassinations had relieved Muhammad of the problems of influential enemies

Here is his great treatment of the Jews, in which Islamic cult arose as a bastardized offspring of.

Muhammad accused one of the Jewish tribes of treachery (see Surah 2:100) and attacked it. After Badr, Muhammad beseiged the Banu Qaynuqa and forced their surrender. He wanted to put all the men to death, but was convinced not to do so by Abdullah ibn Ubayy, who was an old ally of the Qaynuqa.[98] Instead, he expelled them from Medina with their families and possessions. After Uhud, he did the same to the Banu Nadir. After the Battle of the Trench in 627, the Muslims accused the Jews of Banu Qurayza of conspiring with the Meccans, then beheaded the adult male members of the Banu Qurayza. The females and children were sold as slaves.

The reason for the harsh treatment, the Jews refusal against forced conversions!

The theological explanation given by some Arab historians and biographers is that:"the punishment of the Medina Jews, who were "invited" to convert and refused, perfectly exemplify the Quran's tales of what happened to those who rejected the prophets of old."

Islam was Spread by the Sword!

Here is how Islam was spread by the sword. They massacred countless numbers of people and forced the conversion of all they didn't kill. This was endorsed, started, planned and prolonged by the Prophet himself.

Conquest of Mecca:

In 630, Muhammad marched on Mecca with an enormous force, said to number more than ten thousand men. With minimal casualties, Muhammad took control of Mecca.[120] He declared an amnesty for past offences, except for ten men and women who had mocked and made fun of him in songs and verses.[121] Most Meccans were forced to converted to Islam, and Muhammad subsequently destroyed all of the statues of Arabian gods in and around the Kaaba, without any exception. Hence forth the pilgrimage would be a Muslim pilgrimage and the shrine was converted to a Muslim shrine

Conquest of Arabia:

The capitulation of Mecca and the defeat of an alliance of enemy tribes at Hunayn effectively brought the greater part of the Arabian peninsula under Muhammad's authority. However, this authority was not enforced by a regular government, as Muhammad chose instead to rule through personal relationships and tribal treaties. The Muslims were clearly the dominant force in Arabia

Both conquest contributed to a strong control of the Middle East. Then the prophet mass-murdering warlord died, but the Muslim Crusades continued! The Muslims Arab took advantage of the long and destructive wars been the Persians and Byzantines. They took over Persian territories and forced the conquered to convert to Islam (which were mainly the modern day Iranians and Iraqis) or face death. They also took the Byzantine lands in the Middle East, which include Palestine (which used to be Israel), Syria, Egypt etc.
Muslim history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

At the Battle of Yarmuk (636), Muslim armies led by Khalid ibn al-Walid won a crushing victory over the Byzantines, thus paving the way for the conquest of Roman Syria and Palestine (634—640) and Roman Egypt (639—642). After a decisive victory over the Sassanid Empire at the Battle of al-Qādisiyyah in 637, Muslims conquered the Persian Empire, including Iraq. Five years later, after a revolt during the Battle of Nihawānd, the conquest of Persia was effectively complete.[4][5] Conquest also included the lands of Armenia (642) and even as far as Transoxiana and Chinese Turkestan.[4] Depopulation and decline caused by the Plague of Justinian may have contributed to the success of the Arabs.

The expansion continued into Northern Africa and even into Europe (Spain).

The first Ummayad caliph, Muawiya I, was able to conquer much of North Africa, mainly through the efforts of Muslim general Uqba ibn Nafi.[9] and were able to conquer the Maghrib (699—705), as well as Spain and the Narbonnese Gaul at a similar date

They also moved in Asia

Under the Ummayads, the Muslim world expanded into North Africa and Iberia in the West, and Central Asia in the East most of the population eventually converted to Islam, which created tension as greater numbers of non-Arabs (mostly Persians) converted

More conquest of Europe by 750!

conquest of the Mediterranean islands including the Balearics and Sicily.

If it wasn't for the Franks who defeated and expelled the Muslim Crusaders, Islam would have spread all over Europe. Islam came close to world domination. This forced upon views were started by their leader, no wonder their quest has not stopped even up till today.

The Conquest in Asia continued in India, Turkey and Pakistan.

The first stage in the conquest of India began just before the year 1000. By some 200 (from 1193—1209) years later, the area up to the Ganges river had been conquered Islamic rule came to the region in the 8th century, when Muhammad bin Qasim conquered Sindh, (Pakistan). Muslim conquests were expanded under Mahmud and the Ghaznavids until the late twelfth century, when the Ghurids overran the Ghaznavids and extended the conquests in northern India. Qutb-ud-din Aybak, conquered Delhi in 1206 and began the reign of the Delhi Sultanates.

In the fourteenth century, Alauddin Khilji extended Muslim rule south to Gujarat, Rajasthan and Deccan. Various other Muslim dynasties also formed and ruled across India from the 13th to the 18th century such as the Qutb Shahi and the Bahmani, but none rivalled the power and extensive reach of the Mughal Empire at its peak.

It is funny that all the Muslim dominated countries in the Middle east, Asia and North Africa of today were all the countries in which the Arab Crusaders invaded, occupied and forced conversion. How could this religion be peaceful when its prophet was anything but peaceful and the rapid spread Islam was force upon its followers by the sword? The pope had it right, this is a dangerous and evil religion my friends. The PC nonsense needs to stop and we need to start putting Islam in the same category as Nazism.


This is not to say all Muslims are bad people. I have known many who are great people. But the true followers of Islam (and there are many, much more than the liberals want to admit) are the Taliban, Hamas, Hezbollah, Al Qaedas of the world that desire Islamic State throughout the world, to which everyone must be forced to convert or die.

[PatrickHenry]

So...I take it you are opposed to Islam, GHook?

And the only Muslims you like are the false Muslims?

[gallo]

Of course, the history of christianity, followers of the "Prince of Peace", is filled with violence, war, and torture of innocents, as well as war to impose the 'correct religion' on conquered peoples. I certainly hope that your point wasn't that Islam is any more war like than christianity.

[J. Askiloupos]

I think that the vast majority of negative points that you have poised about Islam are completely moot, my friend, as they can be identified with nearly every major idealism. Christianity, which has been known for centuries as a religion composed of pacifists, was once the driving force behind divers atrocities against tolerance and civil rights- during the course of which, I might add, the Muslim nations, by and large, conducted themselves with honor and dignity.

[freefallife]

Good point. Even buddhists have their "just wars" and violence in the name of their ideology. I believe religious ideology is the leading cause of war in human history.

[Praxius]

Don't forget that the Bible basically states the human race began from insest with Adam and Eve starting off the race....

Apparently nobody's perfect.

[tinybear]

What incest? Adam & Eve were siblings?

[GHook93]

Quote by: PatrickHenry So...I take it you are opposed to Islam, GHook?

For the record I oppose all religion! But taking an objective look at the Islamic Prophet is frightening. He was not a good person and gentle like say Jesus. He was a war-like crusader, forcing his views upon the conquered. He believe in mass-extermination. Not the type of person you would think runs a peaceful movement.

And the only Muslims you like are the false Muslims?

Possibly! I never knew any very religious Muslims to well. The Muslims and Arabs I grew up with and were friends with were very Americanized. The Jew Muslim thing not even a road-block. Even my Iraqi American buddy fighting over in Iraq, he was that religious also.

What have been taking a look at was the life of the Islamic prophet and how Islam rapidly expanded in its early stages through conquer, mass-killing and forced conversions.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: gallo Of course, the history of christianity, followers of the "Prince of Peace", is filled with violence, war, and torture of innocents, as well as war to impose the 'correct religion' on conquered peoples. I certainly hope that your point wasn't that Islam is any more war like than christianity.

Here it is, the relativistic derail of the topic at hand, engineered to degenerate any debate into a peeing contest. Why don't you bring up the Aztecs or the Mongols or the Druids or something while you're at it? That's the typical response whenever anyone wants to talk about the less savory aspects of Islam: "but Christianity....". That's not what the OP is about.

And if you really want to go about it that way, GHook was referring to Muhammad. Would you like to do a one-to-one with Jesus? I'm afraid you'll be hard pressed to find massacres or nation building or child molesting there.

[GHook93]

Quote by: gallo Of course, the history of christianity, followers of the "Prince of Peace", is filled with violence, war, and torture of innocents, as well as war to impose the 'correct religion' on conquered peoples. I certainly hope that your point wasn't that Islam is any more war like than christianity.

Not at all. Christian were warlike in many ways. Christian created just as many atrosities in the name of Christianity. I wish all peoples would drop the dark-age notion of religion.

But Jesus not a warlike tyrant, yet all the history point Muhammad the a warlike creature. If you want to view a religion objective you have to look at its founder. True believers of a religion will follow and preach what the found preached and stood for.

[GHook93]

Quote by: J. Askiloupos I think that the vast majority of negative points that you have poised about Islam are completely moot, my friend, as they can be identified with nearly every major idealism. Christianity, which has been known for centuries as a religion composed of pacifists, was once the driving force behind divers atrocities against tolerance and civil rights- during the course of which, I might add, the Muslim nations, by and large, conducted themselves with honor and dignity.

Yet Christianity didn't start out that way! The Christian Prophet didn't start on a bloody conquest of the world. In fact he died for their sins.
A religion can't claim to be peaceful when it starts out by a bloody conquest of the world, in which it founder started.

[Praxius]

Quote by: tinybear What incest? Adam & Eve were siblings?

Eve was made from Adam's rib, so technically she was him, same genes and all... then they had some offspring, and I'm pretty sure they and their offspring didn't have much selection for mates, so you put two and two together and what do you get? Unless God created another family somewhere on Earth for them to mingle with, insest would have been the only way for us to exist.

Which would explain why there are so many stupid people in the world.

I mean, when it comes to Adam and Eve themselves, perhaps it might not be Insest at that point.... more like masturbation, considdering Eve was Adam's rib. But their offspring would only have themselves to mate with, and/or their parents.

[GHook93]

Quote by: freefallife Good point. Even buddhists have their "just wars" and violence in the name of their ideology.

True, but I don't think buddhism started out with world conquest on its mind. I don't its founders married 6 yrs, started wars of mass-extermination, forced conversion and carryed out political assassinations.

I will admit that I know very little about Buddhism, but what I do know is it is not a predatory religion, meaning it doesn't recruit or force conversions.

Most people are losing the point. The point is unlike the big religions of today, Islam was started by a warlord and moved quickly into a war of conquest and forced conversion.

I believe religious ideology is the leading cause of war in human history

Very very true, that is why I put my faith in science over religion.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Praxius Eve was made from Adam's rib, so technically she was him, same genes and all... then they had some offspring, and I'm pretty sure they and their offspring didn't have much selection for mates, so you put two and two together and what do you get? Unless God created another family somewhere on Earth for them to mingle with, insest would have been the only way for us to exist. Which would explain why there are so many stupid people in the world. I mean, when it comes to Adam and Eve themselves, perhaps it might not be Insest at that point.... more like masturbation, considdering Eve was Adam's rib. But their offspring would only have themselves to mate with, and/or their parents.

Adam and Eve were folklore and symbolic explanation. Muhammad life and Islam's beginning were documented in the history book. Don't try to compare fantasy with reality, because of course it will look out of place.

[bishop]

Quote by: ghook But Jesus not a warlike tyrant, yet all the history point Muhammad the a warlike creature. If you want to view a religion objective you have to look at its founder. True believers of a religion will follow and preach what the found preached and stood for.

what difference does it really make who the originator of the religion was? religions are MUCH more than their founders. religions should also be judged by its members and history. you add all things up, muslims have been no worse than christians. this is just a pitiful attempt to voice some racist views imo.

The True, Peaceful Face Of Islam - TIME

all religions go through their own dark ages, and islam is currently experiencing its own. (of course, being in a dark age doesn't mean that the religion will be used for positive purposes - re: the new world conquistadors.)

[ZNFYRH]

At one point in my life I tried to visit the Holy City for the major religions. I have to say that if you want to see what Mecca is like, watch Malcolm X, starring Denzel.

His realization that Islam didn't care about the color of your skin, and living an equally simple life regardless of what you are, is very true.

Even as a non-Muslim, I was welcomed there by those who respected my desire to explore my curiosity.

The best way to summarize my time there, as well as in other Holy Cities, is that you are in the place where there is peace through shared belief and not through shared religion.

[GHook93]

Quote by: bishop what difference does it really make who the originator of the religion was? religions are MUCH more than their founders. religions should also be judged by its members and history. you add all things up, muslims have been no worse than christians. The True, Peaceful Face Of Islam - TIME all religions go through their own dark ages, and islam is currently experiencing its own. (of course, being in a dark age doesn't mean that the religion will be used for positive purposes - re: the new world conquistadors.)

It means a hell of a lot who initial and started the religion. A religion can't go back to its roots to find peace, when it started by a warlord and spread by the sword. The Nazi or KKK movement can never go back to its roots to state its rootst to claim its a peaceful movement (not that they would try), bedcause they were founded by mass-murdering warlorders. This is also not about Christianity, don't compare the two. That is only a way to derail the threat. You can deny all you want Bishop, but this comes from the history books, not folklore.

this is just a pitiful attempt to voice some racist views imo.

Isn't personal attacks against the rules? :rolleyes: If I made this comment you would have already had my ass banned. Maybe Mr. V had a point.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: bishop what difference does it really make who the originator of the religion was? religions are MUCH more than their founders. religions should also be judged by its members and history. you add all things up, muslims have been no worse than christians. this is just a pitiful attempt to voice some racist views imo. The True, Peaceful Face Of Islam - TIME all religions go through their own dark ages, and islam is currently experiencing its own. (of course, being in a dark age doesn't mean that the religion will be used for positive purposes - re: the new world conquistadors.)

The world has become so small that there is no room for a group to "be in a dark age" any more. Some country and/or culture that's "just in a funk" could quite possibly destroy the world, or an appreciable portion of it. If what you say is true, they need to wise up and grow up. The civilized nations of the world have neither the time, money, nor patience to indulge this crap for long.

And actually, I think the founder has everything to do with the religion. Absolutely everything.

[GHook93]

Quote by: ZNFYRH At one point in my life I tried to visit the Holy City for the major religions. I have to say that if you want to see what Mecca is like, watch Malcolm X, starring Denzel. His realization that Islam didn't care about the color of your skin, and living an equally simple life regardless of what you are, is very true. Even as a non-Muslim, I was welcomed there by those who respected my desire to explore my curiosity. The best way to summarize my time there, as well as in other Holy Cities, is that you are in the place where there is peace through shared belief and not through shared religion.

Point? :confused: Does that still take away the fact of how the religion was started and what the founder of the religion practiced, preached, initiated and prolonged!

LOL, and Malcolm X was banished by other Muslims for having differing views and he was also murdered for having these different views by other Muslims. What scene were you talking about? When the white girl goes up the Malcolm and expresses her sympathy and desire to help their movement, but and he shuns her! LOL

[ZNFYRH]

GHook

I forgot... you're so one-sided on this and blinded by your predisposition that you must be spoon fed the point instead of being expected to see it for yourself.

Quote by: GHook Does that still take away the fact of how the religion was started and what the founder of the religion practiced, preached, initiated and prolonged!

There is a fundamental difference between the religion and the philosophy. Your spin on it presents the religion as violent. I'm saying that the philosophy beneath it all is peaceful.

Quote by: GHook LOL, and Malcolm X was banished by other Muslims for having differing views and he was also murdered for having these different views by other Muslims.

Again... your ignorant predisposition is evident here. Malcolm X was murdered by American Muslims.

Quote by: GHook What scene were you talking about? When the white girl goes up the Malcolm and expresses her sympathy and desire to help their movement, but and he shuns her! LOL

That scene took place before his hajj. I thought I was very clear that I was referring to the scenes that took place during his hajj.

It's like you people decide to become stupid when you decide to be condescending. You can only accomplish rudeness if you develop sudden illiteracy.

To put an even finer point on this, which I think clearly demonstrates the distinction:

Malcolm X embraced the philosophy, and ended up being murdered by the religion.