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Old Jun 18, 2004, 12:43 pm   #21 (permalink) (top)
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...Take the tribulation of the jews...
Why didn't the second coming occur during the nazi period in time?
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Old Jun 18, 2004, 03:21 pm   #22 (permalink) (top)
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Alright I believe I can answer when, Once there is a one world order, and after the anti-christ has ruled for seven years.

Right, or at least that is what I think is supposed to happen...

And you can't rush an almighty, so how about when he damn feels like it.


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Old Jun 18, 2004, 03:51 pm   #23 (permalink) (top)
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Originally posted by LDS,
nobody knows exactly when it will come.

However judging by the signs, we are getting close. mmm close indeed.
Well, if you can't give an exact date, but you're sure we are getting close, how about an approximate date? Something along the lines of, "six to nine months" or "in about three hours, GMT" or "sometime next Thursday" or "when Teri finishes grad school". If we're getting really close, I'd like to --at least-- brush my teeth first, and maybe have a quick shower.

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Old Jun 18, 2004, 03:58 pm   #24 (permalink) (top)
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And you can't rush an almighty, so how about when he damn feels like it.
Yeah... "Hurry up, Jesus! Timmy's trapped in the well!" Jesus is coming -- look busy.

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Old Jun 21, 2004, 10:09 pm   #25 (permalink) (top)
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At THE FIRST COMING --- Jesus said, "These things I spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be in good cheer; I have overcome the world." - (John 16:33) --- "ALL POWER is given unto Me in heaven and earth" - (Matthew 28:18), and because of this, Jesus was and is granted his new name, meaning his new title, the ALPHA and OMEGA, THE ALMIGHTY. For this reason at THE SECOND COMING, Jesus cannot return as 'The Christ', but HE will return as his FATHER came in THE FIRST COMING, but with WRATH with the Lamb of the Second Coming. "--- hide us from the face of Him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand?" - (Rev.6:16)

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away."

Jesus introduced himself to John with his new name saying [new name = new title] , "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending" , saith the Lord, which is and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY." - (Rev. 1:8). ---> Here Jesus speaks " --- " as He and the Father are One. Before Jesus went to the Father, his name (title) was the Christ, but since Jesus went to his Father, He no longer goes by the name Christ, which means Messiah, but has been given his new name, ALPHA and OMEGA, THE ALMIGHTY, the granted position of His Father, from His Father, GOD ALMIGHTY. --- ( 'The Christ' ---> the anointed one, the Greek name for Messiah; )

Before Jesus went to his Father, Jesus said, "because I go to my Father, and ye SEE ME NO MORE." - (John 16:7-13), --- "Ye shall NOT SEE ME henceforth, till ye shall say, "Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord." - (Matt.23:39). Also Jesus warned, "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive 'The Very Elect'." - ( Matt. 24:24 ). THANK OUR GOD which sits upon the throne that 'The Very Elect' was not deceived, for he was found worthy to open, and read the book. Also 'The Very Elect' is the Lamb of the Second Coming that took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne. - (Rev.5:2-7). 'The Very Elect' was not even deceived by the false Christ that came to Saul on the road to Damascus and in Jerusalem. Anyone that seen Jesus the Christ since Jesus went to His Father has been deceived. 'The Very Elect' "that cometh in the name of the Lord" will come in the new name of our God, which is the Alpha and Omega, THE ALMIGHTY. Jesus the Alpha and Omega said, "To Him that overcometh, I will write upon Him MY NEW NAME."

In the first three chapters of the Revelation to John, Jesus, the Alpha and Omega, who sits upon the throne of his Father, spoke to John about Him that overcometh who is The Very Elect, the Lamb of the Second Coming. After this John saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, "Who is worthy to open the book", then John wept because no man was found worthy to open, and to read the book. But one of the elders said to John, "Weep not": --- in the midst of the throne, --- stood a Lamb as it had been slain, --- He ( the Lamb of the Second Coming who is also 'The Very Elect' ) came and took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne." (Rev.5:2-7) Him that sat upon the throne is Jesus the Alpha and Omega. The Lamb of the Second Coming is not Jesus the Alpha and Omega, but is the One that Jesus the Alpha and Omega will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." - (Rev.3:20-21). "Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to recieve power --- ." - (5:12) The Lamb that is spoken of here is to recieve power from our God, Jesus which sits upon the throne. ---> Him that overcometh - (Rev. 2:26-27), ---> the man child - (Rev. 12:5), ---> the King to come that had a name written, that no man knew, but He himself. - (Rev.19:12-16). Many years before John's Revelation Jesus already had been given ALL POWER in heaven and earth. This is why Jesus said to John "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending". The Lamb that was slain to recieve power is He that overcometh, as the Alpha and Omega said, "to him will I give power over the nations:" - (Rev.2:26).

Also John said, every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, --- "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." - (Rev.5:13) --- "--- Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. - (Rev. 7:10) --- "--- hide us from the face of Him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:" The Lamb here is the Son of Jesus the Alpha and Omega as Jesus was the Son of his Father at the First Coming. Jesus the Alpha and Omega, the Father of Him that overcometh, shall be seen in the same manner as when Jesus explained to Philip, in John 14:8-11. Philip asked Jesus, "Show us the Father". JESUS answered, "he that hath seen the Me hath seen the Father; --- Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father is me: ---". As the Father was in Jesus, the Christ, so shall Jesus, the Alpha and Omega come in to the Lamb of Second Coming, Him that overcometh, the man child, the King who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron. ---> "I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." "To Him that overcometh, will I grant to sit with Me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." - (Rev.3:20-21).

Jesus, the Alpha and Omega said, "He that overcometh, --- , to Him will I give power over the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron; ---: even as I received of my Father. - (Rev. 2:26-27).
--->"Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to recieve power --- ." - (Rev. 5:12).
---> Him that overcometh shall rule them with a rod of iron - (Rev. 2:26-27)
---> The man child shall rule all nations with a rod of iron - (Rev. 12:5).
---> The King to come shall rule them with a rod of iron: - (Rev.19:12-16).
---> "He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my Son."- (Rev. 21:7). As you can see here, He that overcometh is the Son of Jesus, the Alpha and Omega, who also is the Lamb, the man child, the King to come, who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron, which is the Second Coming.

Jesus was the FIRST to overcome the beast, Satan, since the world began, --- and He that overcometh, the man child, the King to come, is the SECOND to overcome, as Jesus overcame. He that overcometh will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: He shall testify of Jesus and glorify Jesus. He shall sit upon the throne of 'his glory', ( 'his glory' is his Father the Alpha and Omega) ---> "He that overcometh, will I grant to sit with Me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne." - (Rev. 3:21). And before Him shall be gathered all nations; and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats. - (Matt.25:32) He shall be given power over the nations:- and He shall rule them with a rod of iron; ---: even as Jesus received of His Father.-(Rev.2:26-27)

Before Jesus went to the Father, He said, "I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another comforter, that He may abide with you forever;" (John 14:16), ). --- "But when the comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of Truth, which proceedeth from the Father, "He shall testify of Me." - (John 15:26) This other Comforter that Jesus spoke about here is the Lamb, The Very Elect that was not deceived, who was found worthy to receive power from the Alpha and Omega. This Comforter shall testify of Jesus and --->

"He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of mine, and the Father
hath are mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." - (John 16:14-15).

"He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:"
"Of Sin, because they believe not on Me;
Of Righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye SEE ME NO MORE.
Of Judgment, because the Prince of this world is judged." - (John 16:7-11)

Jesus said, --- "Nevertheless I tell you; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send Him unto you."

Jesus the Alpha and Omega said to John, He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my Son." - (Rev. 21:7). This is why He that overcometh is also called the Son of Man.

ONLY Jesus the Alpha and Omega, and He that overcometh knows the names that are written upon Him that overcometh, because it it written that "He had a name written, that no man knew, but He himself" - (Rev.19:12).
---"will I make A PILLAR in the temple of my GOD, and he shall go no more out: ---> ( a PILLAR in him that overcometh)
---"and I will write upon Him the name of my GOD, ---> ( THE WORD OF GOD - Rev. 19:13 )
---"and I will write upon Him the name of the city of my GOD, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my GOD: ---> ( the NEW HOLY CITY to be --- the Greatest Place to be, which is in THE PEACE COUNTRY )
---"and I will write upon Him MY NEW NAME." ---> ( Alpha and Omega, THE ALMIGHTY )

Who shall inherit the kingdom to come? For those who want to inherit the kingdom to come, it is of the greatest importance to know first of what is required. Then comes the doing of what is required, to inherit the kingdom to come. It is written in Matt.25:31-46, who shall, and who shall not inherit the kingdom to come. Read it carefully, it is The Word of God. What is required is to allow love to rule, not only in mind but in the doing. Jesus said, "Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them." Jesus said; " why call me Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? --- "Thou shalt love the lord thy God with all thy heart, and all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two comandments hang all the law and the prophets." - (Matt.:22:37-40). --- "love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again: and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil." - ( Luke 6:27-38 )

About those that do not welcome the Second Coming, "--- hide us from the face of Him that sitteth upon the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of his wrath is come: and who shall be able to stand?" - (Rev.6:16) Him that sitteth upon the throne of his Father is Jesus the Alpha and Omega, and Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to recieve power who is Him that overcometh, the man child, the King to come, who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron.--->(Rev. 2:26-27)--->(Rev. 12:5)--->(Rev.19:12-16)..

About those that welcome the Second Coming, --- Jesus said, "Ye shall NOT SEE ME henceforth, till ye shall say, "Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord." - (Matt.23:39), ---> in the new name of the Lord. "--- a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, --- and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb." - (Rev 6:17 and Rev.7:1-12). Our God is Jesus the Alpha and Omega which sitteth upon the throne, and the Lamb of the Second coming is the Son of Jesus the Alpha and Omega, Him that overcometh, the man child, the King to come, who shall rule all nations with a rod of iron.--->(Rev. 2:26-27)--->(Rev. 12:5)--->(Rev.19:12-16).

As Jesus received from his Father, so shall Him that overcometh, the man child, King to come receive from Jesus the Alpha and Omega--->(Rev.2:26-27). --->"for He (the Comforter, the Elect, the Lamb of the Second Coming) shall receive of mine, and the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that He shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." - (John 16:14-15).

"--- there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." The one man that was found worthy to open, and read the book is the Elect, Him that overcometh, the man child, the Son of the Alpha and Omega, the King to come

LET US BE THANKFUL to JESUS that overcame at THE FIRST COMING and was granted ALL POWER in heaven and earth, and to The Elect who was not deceived by any false Christs, and false prophets, and also for The Elect's sake, flesh shall be saved. It is written, "Every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, --- "Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto Him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever." - (Rev.5:13)


Our GOD, and my FATHER, JESUS the ALPHA and OMEGA, THE ALMIGHTY said, "BEHOLD, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." - (Rev.22:12) "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away."

"Come you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom to come."

"Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven"

Let the Spirit of Love and Truth be with you and guide you.

Peace be with you, Paul
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Old Jun 23, 2004, 03:47 pm   #26 (permalink) (top)
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well for me the second coming is due about now 2000 years since Christ.
and the tuth is here.......yes you got it Jesus was a mushroom .
how dose this affect us to find out the truth about the propertys of the mushroom?
how dose it affect the male race,? now he knows he wont have to be like Jesus, just take Jesus.
how will it affect the female race knowing she is the desire of God the penis?
our relationships could be filled with much more understanding about each other.
after all the word religion means coming together in hebrew.
dont be afaraid of the truth, a mushroom can live again a human can only live once.
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Old Jun 23, 2004, 03:57 pm   #27 (permalink) (top)
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just to add i have written a song about this subject called Jesus was a Mushroom.
you can hear it on my web site on the soundclick link at
http://www.phreak.co.uk/debespace
who would welcome Jesus? the hippys and the freaks it seems.
thats cool its never to late to find knowledge.
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Old Jun 25, 2004, 12:27 am   #28 (permalink) (top)
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If you don't mind reading a little and looking at maps on my web page you can all know the answer to the question, with PROOF just look at the Title; "What Visions Are Made Of" at this Addy: http;//knowman.bravepages.com there is much more there, but this title will show you the answer to what has been asked, their is a vision on that site as well Titled "Ezekiel Break down a vision" it tell the entire vision I had back in 1981
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Old Jun 25, 2004, 01:00 am   #29 (permalink) (top)
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How do we all know that the Second Coming hasn't already come and all of us poor bastards are left here to serve the greatest of all evils, money?

*tongue in cheek*

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The Baha'i Faith believes it already happened, as expected in 1844 - 1863 by many religious groups around the world in different religions. Sounds impossible? An interesting point for further discussion.

An interesting point on prophecy in the OT. Many references to prophecy are in the plural form.

The NT references to prophecy often do not add up in the OT. More points to add fuel to the fire.


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Old Jun 25, 2004, 01:02 am   #30 (permalink) (top)
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And these things haven't happened since Jesus kicked the bucket?
I say they have!

They happen all the time.


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Old Jun 25, 2004, 05:06 am   #31 (permalink) (top)
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in the late 1880's a jerusalem shop keeper named Moses Wilhelm Shapira arived in England with several strips of parchment. Shapira claimed that these fragments were found in the Dead Sea area and were part of an early version of the biblical book of Deuteronomy.
experts who examind the strips called them forgeries, saying that the manuscript could not have survived in the Dead sea climate.
disgraced and dishonorerd, Shapira left England and soon after committed suicide.
ironically, scholars in resent years have come to belive that Shapira's manuscript was not a hoax-and may actuallyhave been a portion of the oldest bible in the world.
John Marco Allegro travelled to the dead sea area where the manuscript was said to be found.
his acount of the trip, his discussion of the text and its significance, and his recounting of Shapira's claims add up to a fascinating story of scholarly prejudice and vindictiveness which may have robbed the modern world of one of the greatest treasures of the ages.

i just coppied this writting from the front cover of a book by John Allegro called The Shapira Affair.
i found it in a second hand book shop in london, it is singed by John Allegro june 1967.
what amazies me about the book is the dates they are talking about some time in late 1880's and there was a lot of fuss about the translations of the scrolls it was even all over the news papers at the time.
and now its like they were never seen and we cant discuss the topic as we know so little about the translations.
its a good job John Allegro devoted his life to translating and passing on that info.
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Old Jun 29, 2004, 11:16 am   #32 (permalink) (top)
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The Alpha and Omega spoke to John about Him that overcometh, who will be the Lamb of the Second Coming, the King to come.

"He that overcometh, --- to him will I give power over the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron;" --- even as I received of my Father." - (Rev.2:27).

" He that overcometh, --- I will not bot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." - (Rev.3:5).

" To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" - (Rev.3:21).

" I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; I will be his God, and he shall be my Son."-(Rev.21:6-7)

All the above verses the speaker is Jesus the Alpha and Omega that said, "my Father", so the Alpha and Omega is Jesus, the Son of his Father.

Here, Jesus spoke about Him that overcometh;
--- shall be given power over the nations; and He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
--- will be granted to sit with Jesus in his throne, as Jesus is sat down with his Father in his throne;
--- shall be the Son of Jesus the Alpha and Omega that shall inherit all things, as Jesus is the Son of his Father.

Him that overcometh is the Lamb of the Second Coming who was found worthy to open, and to read the book, and He is the One that took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne who is Jesus the Alpha and Omega (Rev.5:2-7)

I do not know of anyone that has ever spoken or written about this before. Do you know anyone that has spoken or written about what has been written in above?

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Old Jun 29, 2004, 10:45 pm   #33 (permalink) (top)
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The Alpha and Omega spoke to John about Him that overcometh, who will be the Lamb of the Second Coming, the King to come.

"He that overcometh, --- to him will I give power over the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron;" --- even as I received of my Father." - (Rev.2:27).

" He that overcometh, --- I will not bot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." - (Rev.3:5).

" To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne" - (Rev.3:21).

" I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; I will be his God, and he shall be my Son."-(Rev.21:6-7)

All the above verses the speaker is Jesus the Alpha and Omega that said, "my Father", so the Alpha and Omega is Jesus, the Son of his Father.

Here, Jesus spoke about Him that overcometh;
--- shall be given power over the nations; and He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
--- will be granted to sit with Jesus in his throne, as Jesus is sat down with his Father in his throne;
--- shall be the Son of Jesus the Alpha and Omega that shall inherit all things, as Jesus is the Son of his Father.

Him that overcometh is the Lamb of the Second Coming who was found worthy to open, and to read the book, and He is the One that took the book out of the right hand of Him that sat upon the throne who is Jesus the Alpha and Omega (Rev.5:2-7)

I do not know of anyone that has ever spoken or written about this before. Do you know anyone that has spoken or written about what has been written in above?

Peace be with you, Paul
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Old Jul 1, 2004, 10:28 am   #34 (permalink) (top)
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Hello Baha'u'llah follower,

["The Bahá'í Faith is perhaps unique in that it unreservedly accepts the validity of the other great faiths. Bahá'ís believe that Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, and Muhammad are all equally authentic messengers of one God. The teachings of these divine messengers are seen as paths to salvation which contribute to the "carrying forward of an ever-advancing civilization." But Bahá'ís believe that this series of interventions by God in human history has been progressive, each revelation from God more complete than those which preceded it, and each preparing the way for the next. In this view, Islam, as the most recent of the prior religions, constituted the immediate historical preparation for the Bahá'í Faith."]


Baha'u'llah said, that Jesus, and Muhammad are all equally authentic messengers of one God.

Did you know that Muhammad is a false prophet!

Jesus said, "ALL POWER is given unto Me in heaven and earth" - (Matthew 28:18),

When Jesus went to his Father, he was granted his new name The Alpha ana Omega, The Almighty.


Jesus' words are for ALL peoples and for ALL time that means forever.
Jesus said, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away."

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Old Jul 3, 2004, 01:42 pm   #35 (permalink) (top)
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i see it in an allergorical way, God being like a giant penis in the sky and when it rains this is the sperm of God, bringing forth his son Jesus the mushroom, in the image of his father the penis.

you would have had to overcometh the powers that be of the time, to partake of the flesh of Jesus.
this is why the truth is so needed now.
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Old Jul 3, 2004, 08:38 pm   #36 (permalink) (top)
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Hello Baha'u'llah follower,

"The Bahá'í Faith is perhaps unique in that it unreservedly accepts the validity of the other great faiths. Bahá'ís believe that Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, and Muhammad are all equally authentic messengers of one God. The teachings of these divine messengers are seen as paths to salvation which contribute to the "carrying forward of an ever-advancing civilization." But Bahá'ís believe that this series of interventions by God in human history has been progressive, each revelation from God more complete than those which preceded it, and each preparing the way for the next. In this view, Islam, as the most recent of the prior religions, constituted the immediate historical preparation for the Bahá'í Faith."


Baha'u'llah said, that Jesus, and Muhammad are all equally authentic messengers of one God.

Did you know that Muhammad is a false prophet!
I know Christians do not accept Mohammod, just as Jews do not accept Christ, but that is usually the case when a new religion comes.

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Jesus said, "ALL POWER is given unto Me in heaven and earth" - (Matthew 28:18), 

When Jesus went to his Father, he was granted his new name The Alpha ana Omega, The Almighty.


Jesus' words are for ALL peoples and for ALL time that means forever.
Jesus said,  "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but MY WORDS shall not pass away."   

Peace be with you, Paul

Hisorically Christianity is a poor witness for a light to world for all times. In the Christian view God only gave his message to one people at one time leaving the rest of the world in the dark. Christianity today is a pretty dark narrow minded belief and offers little hope for humanity.


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Old Jul 4, 2004, 01:44 pm   #37 (permalink) (top)
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Hello shunyadragon,

You wrote, ["Christianity today is a pretty dark narrow minded belief and offers little hope for humanity."]

CHRISTIANITY!? Can christians bring about a heaven on earth, or is there any other religion that can bring about a heaven on earth. Christianity has so much conflict and division, and it's history was an abomination, to bloody and wicked to mention. What about now?! Today, can the human society at large count on christians to bring about a peaceful world, or even a 'peaceful country'? The Testimony of JESUS has been ignored for nearly 2000 years by most of those that have called themselves christians. "Love your enemies, ---." Have ever asked yourself WHY? Is it possible that most of the christian in the world have been, and are deceived in worshiping a false Jesus, a false Christ, an imposter, who is the Beast, or the Devil, etc.? --->( 2 Thess 1:7-10, and 2:8 ). ---JESUS said, "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. --- Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them." ( Matthew 7:15-20 ) --- ( fruits --> the result of action )

The divided Christian Kingdom. There more than a dozen families of protestant denominations, and thousands of individual christian faith groups -- over 1,000 in North America alone. Some of these groups believe that they are the only true Christian Church. How would one find the true Christian church There appears to be no clear, obvious choice. But the ones that have already chosen a church believe that their own denominations is the True Christian Church.

CHRISTIANITY has also a false prophet who has deceived the whole christian world.

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Old Jul 4, 2004, 03:59 pm   #38 (permalink) (top)
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The big question is, who is going to welcome the Second Coming

For record LDS said, ["Yes, we will welcome the messiah."]

Bishop said, ["faith alone will not save anyone's soul in my eyes. --- good works (aspiring to be good like jesus - like mother theresa and the like) is what will save one's soul."] Bishop is right on.

When the Messiah comes: --- Jesus said, "before Him shall be gathered all the nations; and He shall separate them one from another, as a sheperd divideth his sheep from his goats: ------- He shall answer them, --- as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not unto me. These shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. - (Matt. 25:31-46)

They shall be separated according to their works. "BEHOLD, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. ( Rev.22:12 )

Do you think the Messiah to come will separate them according to what religion or race they belong to. What puzzles me is that most religious people believe it all has to do with what religion they belong to, to be of the chosen group, that is God's kingdom. Jesus said, "He that shall separate them one from another shall say unto them on his right hand, Come you blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom to come".

The divided Christian Kingdom. There more than a dozen families of protestant denominations, and thousands of individual christian faith groups -- over 1,000 in North America alone. Some of these groups believe that they are the only true Christian Church. How would one find the true Christian church There appears to be no clear, obvious choice. But the ones that have already chosen a church believe that their own denominations is the True Christian Church. What about those that call themselves Atheist?

every man according as his work shall be.

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Old Jul 5, 2004, 06:29 am   #39 (permalink) (top)
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if you dont partake of the flesh , then you dont see the true kingdom in all its glory,
this makes you seperate from those who have partaken of the flesh.
you need to know the kingdom, as a being from God.
the flesh of the shroom ,and the flesh of the penis.
the true christian church is universal it is woman.
man has treated the woman like a work horse.
and is now a slave himself to his own penis.
is the church hiding God?, fearfull we will hurt the penis?
we need to understand our bodys and understand how our bodys drive us.
religion was created to help us learn.
people all over the world have been learning from plants.
the powers that be of the time would all ways try and stop people learning about themselvs, why? so they can rule and controll!
any way they have done the best job ever in the last 2000 years as now we cant even say God is a willy.
when we all know, mankind is driven by sex and is kept going by sex.
the modern day church promotes any old translations as long as they aint the truth.
the church wont have that spoken.
it shows up their lies even more, any one anti jesus would be the anti christ right?
what do the church think about John Alegro's finding?
they hate it, why?
they seem ok with other folks take on there bible storys, Alegro must have hit a nearve.
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Old Jul 5, 2004, 12:09 pm   #40 (permalink) (top)
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"Did you know that Muhammad is a false prophet!

Jesus said, "ALL POWER is given unto Me in heaven and earth" - (Matthew 28:18), "

all power *is* through jesus, who was part of god. mohammad likely was a messenger of god as well. do you think god would go to only one tribe of humans? do you think god is restricted to channeling through one person only? you limit infinity.

god speaks through all religions. they are tailored for each society that they are constructed in. a religion is like a lens through which to view god's energy, and a model for how to behave on earth. most are fairly dead.

behai was founded in the mid 1800's, yes? islam was founded in the 600's. i believe that things of religious significance happened between those two events. bahai would not have been appropriate to form in 800 AD.
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