Question on God's decision to create humans

[O-dehlay]

If we take the population of humanity as a whole, it seems like most go to hell. Would it not be more merciful of God to never have created humanity? It goes with out saying that nonexsistance is more favorable then hell. What is the logic there? There is really no detrimental factor for anyone if humans were never created. Its not like we are necissary variable.

[freefallife]

Well, if he hadn't created us, he wouldn't have anyone to worship him no would he?? Is omniegocentric a word??

[O-dehlay]

Yeah but if thats the only reason, angels solve.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: O-dehlay If we take the population of humanity as a whole, it seems like most go to hell. Would it not be more merciful of God to never have created humanity? It goes with out saying that nonexsistance is more favorable then hell. What is the logic there? There is really no detrimental factor for anyone if humans were never created. Its not like we are necissary variable.

Would nature produce a lot of sperms if only one or two make to the egg? Is that logical?

Now some seeds fall into good soil and grow (a few). Some fall on the hard rocks and do not grow. Some fall but the birds eat them before they can take root. Is that logical?

And so it is with heaven, some make it and some don't.

I call this the "random chance selection theory of heaven". To put it scientifically. Darwin would agree.

Now I will tell you a secret and seldom known fact.

Heaven and Hell are the same place. It is only our perception that views it as one and not the other.

If you hear a truth about your self, that something is wrong with you. Then you can see that judgement in two differenct ways.

(1) - Gee thanks, I take great joy in knowing of this error because now I can change the error so the answer is right. Thus it would be a corrective influence and you would be in heaven because you got rid of some fault that was dragging you down.

(2) - You would get mad and try to save face with an excuse, then you would view the truth as the enemy, damming you, attacking your self image, and your hated of it would burn like a fire deep in your soul.

But in both cases it is the same truth - only viewed from different attitudes such that for one it causes pain, while for another it causes joy.

And so one man's heaven is another man's hell. But it is the same thing only viewed by different men in different ways.

[O-dehlay]

Thats valid but I have a couple of criticisms.

Nature dosnt care about the deaths of individuals but for the species as the whole; which makes the stated approach acceptable. This is contrary to God who cares about each individual, loves them, and died for them.

Another thing, it dosnt matter to God whether the seeds grow or not. While in nature the species would die and that is unnacceptable what would this matter to God? Its no neccessary for God to have humans in heaven its a "gift" towards us.

[Fangrim]

Quote by: O-dehlay Thats valid but I have a couple of criticisms. Nature dosnt care about the deaths of individuals but for the species as the whole; which makes the stated approach acceptable. This is contrary to God who cares about each individual, loves them, and died for them. Another thing, it dosnt matter to God whether the seeds grow or not. While in nature the species would die and that is unnacceptable what would this matter to God? Its no neccessary for God to have humans in heaven its a "gift" towards us.

Love does not necessitate protection. Nor does omnilove necessitate omniprotection. Or any combination of those variables.

God lets people die and burn in Hell. Ah well, I guess.

I think we're too anthrocentric.

[O-dehlay]

Quote by: Fangrim Love does not necessitate protection. Nor does omnilove necessitate omniprotection. Or any combination of those variables. God lets people die and burn in Hell. Ah well, I guess. I think we're too anthrocentric.

In what way could God not protect someone who was sinless if he loved such an individual?

The main point of that statement was simply to show the difference between the examples he provided in nature to what God has established.

If God can either create humans or not create humans just as easily what reason does he have to create them if it will result in a vast majority of them danmed to hell? Is there any reason for this? This is a completely serious question.

On top of that point by itself, we are talking about a bein who prides itself on loving us and being merciful. Humanity is like an injured animal dieing the most painful slowest death imagineable, infact the death with never come its just going to be straight up torture for the most humans. Would it not be merciful to put the animal out of its misery?

Quote by: Technosoul And so it is with heaven, some make it and some don't.

Is that logical?

Regards
S.

Quote by: O-dehlay This is contrary to God who cares about each individual, loves them, and died for them.

God is dead? Ding! Dong!

Regards
S.

[Kuldeep]

The basic flaw in this faith is that "God has created us." The whole drama is of Individual and Universal Consciousness. God, Heaven and Hell all are own imagination though our consciousness. System an sub system go on eternally in cycles.

[Fangrim]

Quote by: O-dehlay In what way could God not protect someone who was sinless if he loved such an individual?

By just not doing it?

I don't see what the problem is. There's nothing about love that necessitates protection.

If God can either create humans or not create humans just as easily what reason does he have to create them if it will result in a vast majority of them danmed to hell? Is there any reason for this? This is a completely serious question.

He doesn't have to have a reason that would make sense to you. It would just have to make sense to him. Is there a reason? How would I know?

[O-dehlay]

[quote=Fangrim;405801]By just not doing it?

I don't see what the problem is. There's nothing about love that necessitates protection.[/.quote]

Well would you agree that you would be more inclined to protect someone you loved? If not why not? (im changing my question but I still dont see how you cannot protect someone you truely love, I.E. parent child, friends you die for, ect. . .)

He doesn't have to have a reason that would make sense to you. It would just have to make sense to him. Is there a reason? How would I know?

I dont believe that. Everything that we cant explain about religion is put under that category. I believe in a God who created us to understand what he did and to appreciate things. If he wanted something else he could have made stupid worship robots. If there is no reason it has scary implications

[O-dehlay]

Quote by: Kuldeep The basic flaw in this faith is that "God has created us." The whole drama is of Individual and Universal Consciousness. God, Heaven and Hell all are own imagination though our consciousness. System an sub system go on eternally in cycles.

I dont want to enter a realm in which God dosnt exsist (if thats what your saying). I just want to focus on a specific question withing Christianity itself.