I have a few questions to the religious.

[Bnet505]

To anyone religious and extreme, out of all the Gods that exist, why did you choose this one? Usually because of parents making you, fear of Hell/Pascal's Wager, trying to further yourself in politics, so prideful that you chose a religion that agrees with your normal, moral beliefs so you could brag "God shares my view", or maybe your one of the poor souls that when the chips where down so religious converters preyed on you. How is your God better than Zeus or Thor or Rah or any other of the dead religions that had as much proof supporting them as does yours? Also can you prove me that your religion is right and as an Atheist I'm 100% wrong and I'm "Doomed for eternity" in a place created and used for terrorist purposes?

This is how religious people act apparently after a scan through Youtube:

YouTube - The INFAMOUS "God Warrior"

YouTube - Crazy Christian dudes at University of Oregon

YouTube - Radical Preacher Takes on Ohio State Students

[Dr.Debate]

I didn't choose "My God." I choose to become a part of the God.


I find your sites that you have given very offensive, as a christian. Big deal, some christians go crazy over their beliefs. Do you want me to show you sites of crazy atheists? Please, try not to offend others.

[Bnet505]

Quote by: Dr.Debate I didn't choose "My God." I choose to become a part of the God. I find your sites that you have given very offensive, as a christian. Big deal, some christians go crazy over their beliefs. Do you want me to show you sites of crazy atheists? Please, try not to offend others.

You have good points. I respect that. This is mainly to try to get people like texasdave and againstthecurrent to explain why they think their beliefs should be laws. And yes, there are extreme Atheists. This is directed to specific extremists to show them themselves. I'm sorry for causing you, a moderate normal person offense. I apologize.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Dr.Debate I didn't choose "My God." I choose to become a part of the God. I find your sites that you have given very offensive, as a christian. Big deal, some christians go crazy over their beliefs. Do you want me to show you sites of crazy atheists? Please, try not to offend others.

If he had survived a concentration camp then he would be qualified to speak about religion. Then he would know the difference between a world that honors a loving and just God and a world that distorts everything, a world where some leader believes that genetics can create a perfection for humanity, or where scientific evidence justifies mass murder in the name of survial of the best species (race).

Distorting of true spirituality with examples of some Christians who have likewised distorted true spirituality. What nonsense. They call that stereotyping. Another name for racism.

How can it be logical to determine what all Christians are like by the actions of three people who do something radical enough to make the middle page of a newspaper?

And then ask "extreme religious people" to defend the Christian-ism.
Doess he think they will want to defend those three people to "save the whole image" of the Christian movement? Nonsense.

Why did he not use Martin King Jr as an example of "extreme" religious action? Did he ever even hear his speech "I have a dream"?
Could he even feel it or understand the importance of that message?
Why not stereotype all Christians with King's image and idealolgy?

Of course people have done bad things in the name of God, in the name of morality, in the name of religion, in the name of God and country. But that is not being religious, that is a distortion and not compatable with the real thing.

He is barking up the wrong tree.

[Technosoul]

Sorry if I beat Texasdave to the punch. He might have been more user friendly for your purposes.

[Bnet505]

These are all great points. I'm sorry for this thread. I have been trying to spark a debate between the closeminded of this forum. I am sorry for causing offense. I am just trying to get extremists to help realize that extremism is not good. I apologize for insulting normal people. I wanted only to debate with extremists so I will close this thread in hopes of sparking a discussion between extremists. I should keep those arguments to threads where the extremists have posted. Deepest appologies.

[texasdave]

Bnet,
Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot. Just a few of the crazy atheists. Do you wish to be judged by their standard?

[Bnet505]

Quote by: texasdave Bnet, Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Pol Pot. Just a few of the crazy atheists. Do you wish to be judged by their standard?

Ahhhhh, one of the many overused arguments used against Atheists. While there are extreme Atheists, they never kill in the name of Atheism. What is the common feature among all your names? COMMUNISM! Bing, right for 100 points. To say they killed in the name of Atheism because they were atheists would be like saying Hitler killed in the name of Christianity because he was Christian. In both cases it was political. They believed from Marx's writings that the more power the Church had, the less for the State. They killed for power, so did Hitler. End of your argument. I acknowledge that there are extremists every where. But know this, as much "Crazy Atheists" there where, Crazy Religious people double, maybe triple them.

[texasdave]

Since atheism and its existentialistic worldview are intricately woven you cannot so easily dismiss communism and its attrocities. Religion and atheism are both worldviews and, as such, play a critical role in a person's actions. The above mentioned crazy atheists did not violate the tenets of their faith by their attrocities. Hitler did violate Christian teachings. Your worldview is the foundation of your morality so they are inseparably linked.

[Bnet505]

Quote by: texasdave Since atheism and its existentialistic worldview are intricately woven you cannot so easily dismiss communism and its attrocities. Religion and atheism are both worldviews and, as such, play a critical role in a person's actions. The above mentioned crazy atheists did not violate the tenets of their faith by their attrocities. Hitler did violate Christian teachings. Your worldview is the foundation of your morality so they are inseparably linked.

I'm not dismissing communism's atrocities. I'm a Libertarian. I hate Communism. You make the assumption that Atheists have no morals (Who's the one that hates Gays and Abortionists), and that Atheism caused these horrible men's actions when it was clearly fueled by politics and power. Hitlers where too. You say that Hitler violate Christianity when I could say those people violated many moral laws important to Atheism and preserving it. If you wanna play it stat wise we can.

Christians
75-85% of US Pop.
75-85% of US prison Pop.

Atheists
10% of US Pop.
.02% of US prison Pop.

[texasdave]

Bnet,
Christians do not hate gays and abortionists. We hate the sins of homosexuality and abortion. We hate the acts not the people. Let me ask you a question. What is the source of your morals? Atheism has no moral foundation so how do you decide what is right and wrong?

[Bnet505]

Quote by: texasdave Bnet, Christians do not hate gays and abortionists. We hate the sins of homosexuality and abortion. We hate the acts not the people. Let me ask you a question. What is the source of your morals? Atheism has no moral foundation so how do you decide what is right and wrong?

You are just using the canned arguments. Let me take them down one by one. First off, hate the sin not the sinner, right? I told this to a preacher friend of mine and he said this is just a way to hate someone indirectly. You also claim this as "Sin". You can't change them because sexuality is controlled by a lobe in the brain called the INAH-3, homosexuals and females have a smaller size, males and lesbians have a larger size. This controls sexual attraction. You would be evil to think that this is somehow a choice. Abortion. Don't even bring in Abortion. My friend, a teacher at a school, had his life saved from stem cells from an aborted fetus. He would've died is what the doctors said. So don't you bring abortion into this because you'll fail the debate. And I get my morals to help better society, not because a magic man is judging me. I just have morals to be good.

[texasdave]

Bnet,
You just "have" them huh? You are a young pup aren't you? I can tell because you have given this very little thought. If you just "have" morals then some other atheist can just "have" different morals and you have no real grounds to criticize his actions ( like genocide) since atheism allows you to choose morals based on what each individual thinks is right. That leaves a lot of room for evil.

[texasdave]

Your preacher friend is wrong. Hating the sin and loving the sinner is scriptural.

[Bnet505]

Quote by: texasdave Your preacher friend is wrong. Hating the sin and loving the sinner is scriptural.

Indirect hate sure feels good, right? Saying that God condones Gays, and you do too sure makes you feel high and mighty about yourself, doesn't it? Everyone has to be intellectually Agnostic (Or should be). You can have personal beliefs but stating them as fact is ignorance and self-promotion.

[texasdave]

Hating the sin is part of " love your neighbor as you love yourself". Sin sends the unrepentant sinner to hell. That is eternal harm so it is not hateful ( indirect or otherwise) to hate sin, but it is love. We hate sin because it harms the sinner. Both in this life and eternally.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Bnet505 These are all great points. I'm sorry for this thread. I have been trying to spark a debate between the closeminded of this forum. I am sorry for causing offense. I am just trying to get extremists to help realize that extremism is not good. I apologize for insulting normal people. I wanted only to debate with extremists so I will close this thread in hopes of sparking a discussion between extremists. I should keep those arguments to threads where the extremists have posted. Deepest appologies.

Calling me a normal person might be an insult, but I will pass on debating that.

You two have fun with your debate (this one will take some time I bet?).

Is Texasdave extreme - what is extreme - it is about being 100 percent Christian or about doing radical things like flying jets into world trade centers?

[Bnet505]

Quote by: Technosoul Calling me a normal person might be an insult, but I will pass on debating that. You two have fun with your debate (this one will take some time I bet?).

I mean normal in the sense of moderate. Nothing insulting.

[Bnet505]

Quote by: texasdave Bnet, You just "have" them huh? You are a young pup aren't you? I can tell because you have given this very little thought. If you just "have" morals then some other atheist can just "have" different morals and you have no real grounds to criticize his actions ( like genocide) since atheism allows you to choose morals based on what each individual thinks is right. That leaves a lot of room for evil.

We "have" them because we have an advanced and developed brain that was formed after millions of years of evolution. Your ignorance really is starting to show. I find murder evil as do most people. You leave alot of room for evil obeying an ancient book filled with prejudice, Dave.

[texasdave]

Bnet,
Just because an idea is "ancient" does not make it wrong and just because an idea is modern does not make it right. Do you believe in absolute truth?