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texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 02:05 pm

If the Dalai Lama does not accept Christ then He rejects the Father. If He rejects the Father then he will be eternally separated from God because that is what the Dalai Lama chose. However, the Dalai Lama can still choose Christ. I would witness to him if given the chance.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 30, 2007, 03:00 pm

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If the Dalai Lama does not accept Christ then He rejects the Father. If He rejects the Father then he will be eternally separated from God because that is what the Dalai Lama chose. However, the Dalai Lama can still choose Christ. I would witness to him if given the chance.

No sir. You can't choose something you don't believe in.

SoylentGreen · Jun 30, 2007, 03:25 pm

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texasdave
I would witness to him if given the chance.

And why does he need to be witnessed by a mortal? Proof that man controls what gods desires or what.

Hylife · Jun 30, 2007, 03:40 pm

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I note a slight contradiction there, do you?

Love isn't always how we humans percieve it as. Justice is in the punnishing of all evil.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 30, 2007, 03:43 pm

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Love isn't always how we humans percieve it as. Justice is in the punnishing of all evil.

Justice is the balanced and fair punishing of evil. Over punishment, especially infinite punishment, is an evil.

Hylife · Jun 30, 2007, 03:47 pm

Only when examined by the injust, human
mind.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 30, 2007, 03:55 pm

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Only when examined by the injust, human
mind.

-deep sigh-

Hylife · Jun 30, 2007, 03:56 pm

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 04:43 pm

lullaby,
Choosing not to believe is still a choice against God.

Luxavius · Jun 30, 2007, 04:47 pm

Since we know humans aren't perfect, and that you have never met "God" physically, isn't it possible that he could be false? The cavemen believed in their "false" animal spirits. The Egyptians believed in their "false" half-animal, half-human gods. The Greeks believed in their "false" gods, and the list goes on. This is just another stage in history that you are unwilling to accept could be false, just as you have accepted all the other stages to be.

Religion is already on a downspiral, and this way of thinking is coming to an end (just like all the others). It will be forgotten, labeled as "false", and humanity will move on, just like every other time.

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 04:49 pm

Lux,
God gave plenty of evidence of His existence. In the creation. In His prophecies. In His Son Jesus Christ rising from the dead. False gods cannot do that. But God is partially hidden so as not to coerce your free will.

Luxavius · Jun 30, 2007, 04:53 pm

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Lux,
God gave plenty of evidence of His existence. In the creation. In His prophecies. In His Son Jesus Christ rising from the dead. False gods cannot do that. But God is partially hidden so as not to coerce your free will.

Did you even bother to read my post? I was explaining that since no one has met god physically, and that humans lie and are not perfect, that he could be a creation of our imagination, just as every other god in existence has been "proven" to be. If you went to the past, the Greeks could give you just as much evidence to support their god as you could yours. Miracles, magic, but somehow no one is ever able to see it. Always stories, always unseen, always unproven, and always believed by the kids because that is how they were raised.

I want you to admit that if you were an Egyptian in 2000 B.C., you would have believed in their god, and would vehemently reject the true "God" you believe in now had you been presented with him.

Kamehameha34 · Jun 30, 2007, 04:53 pm

Now that's circular.

"How do we know god is behind creation?"

"Because of CREATION!"

Luxavius · Jun 30, 2007, 04:58 pm

Yeah, there are a lot of faulty beliefs. I can think of about seven tribes (current) off the top of my head that don't believe in god, and couldn't, because they never heard of him, and instead believe in another religion that condones what the "Real God" does not. Does that mean they go to hell too? Or is there another make-believe magical rule you can create to exempt them?

If "God" was truly good, wouldn't he show everyone the path? If I raised my son or daughter to hate and not believe in God, would she go to hell too? Even though it wasn't her fault at all because the situation was impossibly against him or her? So what, now humans choose whether others go to heaven or hell. We have that kind of power? I don't think so. The very definition of your religion is that we don't possess that kind of power, when apparently, we do.

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 05:04 pm

Lux,
The creation has enough circumstantial evidence that points to an intelligent designer. The odds of the finely tuned and orderly universe coming by chance are just hugely impossible. But that just points to A god. The prophecies of the Bible and Jesus' fulfillment of them are proof that THE God has something to say and its in His Word.

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 05:07 pm

Kame,
A crime scene contains evidence that points to a criminal. Do you regard that as circular reasonng? Of course not. And neither is the creation. It has God's fingerprints all over it.

yourwrong · Jun 30, 2007, 05:12 pm

I wouldn't say we have a finely tuned and orderly universe and anyways please compute for me the odds of their being an all powerful god that doesn't have to obey the rules of science or he would not be all powerful. You can't its impossible to figure out the odds of their being a god or their not being a god. So your argument is meaningless and is nothing more then a rant.

Luxavius · Jun 30, 2007, 05:13 pm

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Lux,
The creation has enough circumstantial evidence that points to an intelligent designer. The odds of the finely tuned and orderly universe coming by chance are just hugely impossible. But that just points to A god. The prophecies of the Bible and Jesus' fulfillment of them are proof that THE God has something to say and its in His Word.

You're missing my point over and over. You keep babbling the same incoherent nonsense that has apparently been drilled into your head. I'm saying that, why do the Greek gods not exist, but yours does? Why couldn't the Greek gods not have created the universe? How is a book written by humans "God's" word, when it was within there power to rewrite it or make any of it up they wanted? Are you aware of how loosely translated the bible really is, and that it lost a lot of its meaning?

Since it's in English, and had to be loosely translated, it isn't "God's" word anymore. "But it keeps the original meaning". How would you know? Other people translated it, not "God". How do you know for certain that people didn't make any of it up, since "God" wouldn't interfere, even if they did?

yourwrong · Jun 30, 2007, 05:13 pm

Prove God created the universe I dare you.

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 05:29 pm

Lux,
Read Josh McDowell's book "evidence for Christianity" It will go step by step through the hitoricity of ancient manuscripts including the Bible. The Bible is the best documented ancient manuscript in the world, bar none.

Jun 30, 2007, 03:56 pm	#68 (permalink) (top)
Hylife Molten Ash Posts: 137	lol

Jun 30, 2007, 02:05 pm	#61 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	If the Dalai Lama does not accept Christ then He rejects the Father. If He rejects the Father then he will be eternally separated from God because that is what the Dalai Lama chose. However, the Dalai Lama can still choose Christ. I would witness to him if given the chance.

Jun 30, 2007, 03:47 pm	#66 (permalink) (top)
Hylife Molten Ash Posts: 137	Only when examined by the injust, human mind.

Jun 30, 2007, 04:43 pm	#69 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	lullaby, Choosing not to believe is still a choice against God.

Jun 30, 2007, 04:47 pm	#70 (permalink) (top)
Luxavius Sedimentary Rock Posts: 15	Since we know humans aren't perfect, and that you have never met "God" physically, isn't it possible that he could be false? The cavemen believed in their "false" animal spirits. The Egyptians believed in their "false" half-animal, half-human gods. The Greeks believed in their "false" gods, and the list goes on. This is just another stage in history that you are unwilling to accept could be false, just as you have accepted all the other stages to be. Religion is already on a downspiral, and this way of thinking is coming to an end (just like all the others). It will be forgotten, labeled as "false", and humanity will move on, just like every other time.

Jun 30, 2007, 04:49 pm	#71 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Lux, God gave plenty of evidence of His existence. In the creation. In His prophecies. In His Son Jesus Christ rising from the dead. False gods cannot do that. But God is partially hidden so as not to coerce your free will.

Jun 30, 2007, 04:53 pm	#73 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,394	Now that's circular. "How do we know god is behind creation?" "Because of CREATION!"

Jun 30, 2007, 04:58 pm	#74 (permalink) (top)
Luxavius Sedimentary Rock Posts: 15	Yeah, there are a lot of faulty beliefs. I can think of about seven tribes (current) off the top of my head that don't believe in god, and couldn't, because they never heard of him, and instead believe in another religion that condones what the "Real God" does not. Does that mean they go to hell too? Or is there another make-believe magical rule you can create to exempt them? If "God" was truly good, wouldn't he show everyone the path? If I raised my son or daughter to hate and not believe in God, would she go to hell too? Even though it wasn't her fault at all because the situation was impossibly against him or her? So what, now humans choose whether others go to heaven or hell. We have that kind of power? I don't think so. The very definition of your religion is that we don't possess that kind of power, when apparently, we do.

Jun 30, 2007, 05:04 pm	#75 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Lux, The creation has enough circumstantial evidence that points to an intelligent designer. The odds of the finely tuned and orderly universe coming by chance are just hugely impossible. But that just points to A god. The prophecies of the Bible and Jesus' fulfillment of them are proof that THE God has something to say and its in His Word.

Jun 30, 2007, 05:07 pm	#76 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Kame, A crime scene contains evidence that points to a criminal. Do you regard that as circular reasonng? Of course not. And neither is the creation. It has God's fingerprints all over it.

Jun 30, 2007, 05:12 pm	#77 (permalink) (top)
yourwrong Reasonably insane Posts: 180	I wouldn't say we have a finely tuned and orderly universe and anyways please compute for me the odds of their being an all powerful god that doesn't have to obey the rules of science or he would not be all powerful. You can't its impossible to figure out the odds of their being a god or their not being a god. So your argument is meaningless and is nothing more then a rant.

Jun 30, 2007, 05:13 pm	#79 (permalink) (top)
yourwrong Reasonably insane Posts: 180	Prove God created the universe I dare you.

Jun 30, 2007, 05:29 pm	#80 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Lux, Read Josh McDowell's book "evidence for Christianity" It will go step by step through the hitoricity of ancient manuscripts including the Bible. The Bible is the best documented ancient manuscript in the world, bar none.