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texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 09:48 pm

Separation of church and state was designed to protect the church from the state, not the other way around.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 09:52 pm

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Separation of church and state was designed to protect the church from the state, not the other way around.

No. Another uneducated Christian. Look up the writings of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Madison, Benjamin Franklin, and Washington about this and you will be proven wrong.

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 09:53 pm

The principle is from a letter by Thomas Jefferson. It is not in the constitution. You merely have to read the first amendment to understand its intent.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 09:55 pm

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The principle is from a letter by Thomas Jefferson. It is not in the constitution. You merely have to read the first amendment to understand its intent.

Yes. I know that. But you disagree with a policy all the forefathers had a basic consensus on? Get out of their country then you freedom hating, religious rights activist. Go back to the monarchy.

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 10:08 pm

Bnet,
Religious rights are guaranteed by the first amendment. As a matter of fact, they are listed FIRST.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:13 pm

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Bnet,
Religious rights are guaranteed by the first amendment. As a matter of fact, they are listed FIRST.

Right to religion is good. Forcing people to have God on money and in the pledge, when originally money and the pledge didn't have "God" anywhere on it, but during the 1954 Red Scare, God was added to "ensure victory for the cold war". I agree with the first amendment. I am Libertarian FYI.

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 10:17 pm

I used to be libertarian in my atheist days. I still agree with many of their beliefs just not all of them. I have no problem with " God" being on the money. It is a generic term anyway that is not tied to any particular religion and the Supreme court has upheld that.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:20 pm

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I used to be libertarian in my atheist days. I still agree with many of their beliefs just not all of them. I have no problem with " God" being on the money. It is a generic term anyway that is not tied to any particular religion and the Supreme court has upheld that.

It is tied to religion. I don't want to see God on my currency or in my pledge, both of which where bastardized during the McCarthy-era red scare. The original and real pledge written by Francis Bellamy, a Baptist, included no mention of God. It is tied to religion and we as Americans can keep religion out of our freedom.

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 10:23 pm

Bnet,
Its been fun but I have to work tomorrow so I'm off to bed. God bless you and you take care.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:25 pm

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Bnet,
Its been fun but I have to work tomorrow so I'm off to bed. God bless you and you take care.

I clap for you putting on such an effort. Bye.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 29, 2007, 10:45 pm

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actually, no, I did explain it. Sin makes us God's enemies. Through sin we will ALWAYS be God's enemies. He can't stand us in his presence, nor can sin stand us in his; crud, if God appeared to someone in his full glory in the OT they died!

No, that's not an explanation. I want to know why any sin is infinite. You've basically admitted that its infinite just because God is emotionally unstable.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 29, 2007, 10:54 pm

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By rejecting God you are rejecting the purpose for which you were created.

No sir. We aren't all rejecting God, we simply have no reason to even believe your god over the hundreds of other gods. There's a big difference, and by playing with semantics it's as if you think we know God and chose Hell. Which would be correct for many of us as your god churns our stomachs inside out with repulsiveness. You have no idea how silly and cruel your god looks to most everyone that doesn't believe. There's a reason for that.

It shows extreme ignorance on God's part to expect the inhabitants of his shit hole world to find him when he only seems to reveal himself to those that believe. Your god is NOTHING special. There are hundreds of others and it takes a real cruel being to not understand that. It takes an even more cruel being to not understand that then eternally punish those unlucky or faulty enough to not find and feed God's ego.

Hylife · Jun 29, 2007, 10:57 pm

Look, that is the explanation. You don't have to believe it and quite frankly I don't care what you believe. Neither you nor I are God, and thus we have no right to question the motives of a just, loving, and righteouss God. God hates all sin and sin is disobedience. If you can't obey God then God won't make you. But note he does care and he does want you with him, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Christ..

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 11:01 pm

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Look, that is the explanation. You don't have to believe it and quite frankly I don't care what you believe. Neither you nor I are God, and thus we have no right to question the motives of a just, loving, and righteouss God. God hates all sin and sin is disobedience. If you can't obey God then God won't make you. But note he does care and he does want you with him, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Christ..

...via a drug hallucination a rabbi experienced. Look, outside the Bible, the statements are just plain ridiculous. If a guy never heard of religion and at 30 yr. old he picked up the Bible, do you think he would say "Wow. Obviously the stuff is all true"? Absolutely not.

Lullaby Chainer · Jun 29, 2007, 11:02 pm

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Look, that is the explanation. You don't have to believe it and quite frankly I don't care what you believe. Neither you nor I are God, and thus we have no right to question the motives of a just, loving, and righteouss God. God hates all sin and sin is disobedience. If you can't obey God then God won't make you. But note he does care and he does want you with him, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Christ..

Your answer simply does not suffice.

I'll try to explain your own answer for you.. tell me if I'm right.

Since God is of infinite importance.. upsetting him is disturbing something of an infinite degree.

Is that right?

Kamehameha34 · Jun 29, 2007, 11:48 pm

Is there infinite sin?

SoylentGreen · Jun 30, 2007, 12:27 am

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Hylife
a just, loving, and righteouss God. God hates

I note a slight contradiction there, do you?

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Is there infinite sin?

Only on my good days.

banko · Jun 30, 2007, 02:04 am

Why is it I start to laugh when I try to picture the dalai lama infinitely burning in the fires of hell for being such a massive sinner and all round bad person.

texasdave · Jun 30, 2007, 10:22 am

banco,
The Dalai Lama is not a bad person in worldly terms. Let me explain. If your earthly father created you and took care of your every need and , in fact, there could be no survival without him but you chose to ignore hiim and mock him by both your actions and words, do you think that when the end of your life came that you should be included in his will? Of course not. If you refused to even acknowledge him and wanted no part of him then you have nothing to complain about when he eventually completely cuts you off. Same with our heavenly Father. If you want no part of Him then you will get your wish. But I'm here to tell you that is a bad choice.

banko · Jun 30, 2007, 11:36 am

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banco,
The Dalai Lama is not a bad person in worldly terms. Let me explain. If your earthly father created you and took care of your every need and , in fact, there could be no survival without him but you chose to ignore hiim and mock him by both your actions and words, do you think that when the end of your life came that you should be included in his will? Of course not. If you refused to even acknowledge him and wanted no part of him then you have nothing to complain about when he eventually completely cuts you off. Same with our heavenly Father. If you want no part of Him then you will get your wish. But I'm here to tell you that is a bad choice.

So you have clearly portrayed god as a vendictive, ego-centered person who gets all pissy when you don't worship him - does god have low self-esteem? Would that be blasphemy if he didn't believe in himself?

So then the dalai lama will burn in hell - that makes me laugh. He has done more good in life for humanity than you could ever even dream to acheive yet he goes to hell - good god you have there.

Jun 30, 2007, 02:04 am	#58 (permalink) (top)
banko Igneous Magma Posts: 226	Why is it I start to laugh when I try to picture the dalai lama infinitely burning in the fires of hell for being such a massive sinner and all round bad person. For every man who lives without freedom, the rest of us must face the guilt ---Lillian Hellman, The Watch on the Rhine, 1941

Jun 29, 2007, 09:48 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Separation of church and state was designed to protect the church from the state, not the other way around.

Jun 29, 2007, 09:53 pm	#43 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	The principle is from a letter by Thomas Jefferson. It is not in the constitution. You merely have to read the first amendment to understand its intent.

Jun 29, 2007, 10:08 pm	#45 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Bnet, Religious rights are guaranteed by the first amendment. As a matter of fact, they are listed FIRST.

Jun 29, 2007, 10:17 pm	#47 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	I used to be libertarian in my atheist days. I still agree with many of their beliefs just not all of them. I have no problem with " God" being on the money. It is a generic term anyway that is not tied to any particular religion and the Supreme court has upheld that.

Jun 29, 2007, 10:23 pm	#49 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Bnet, Its been fun but I have to work tomorrow so I'm off to bed. God bless you and you take care.

Jun 29, 2007, 10:57 pm	#53 (permalink) (top)
Hylife Molten Ash Posts: 137	Look, that is the explanation. You don't have to believe it and quite frankly I don't care what you believe. Neither you nor I are God, and thus we have no right to question the motives of a just, loving, and righteouss God. God hates all sin and sin is disobedience. If you can't obey God then God won't make you. But note he does care and he does want you with him, otherwise he wouldn't have sent Christ..

Jun 29, 2007, 11:48 pm	#56 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,457	Is there infinite sin?

Jun 30, 2007, 10:22 am	#59 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	banco, The Dalai Lama is not a bad person in worldly terms. Let me explain. If your earthly father created you and took care of your every need and , in fact, there could be no survival without him but you chose to ignore hiim and mock him by both your actions and words, do you think that when the end of your life came that you should be included in his will? Of course not. If you refused to even acknowledge him and wanted no part of him then you have nothing to complain about when he eventually completely cuts you off. Same with our heavenly Father. If you want no part of Him then you will get your wish. But I'm here to tell you that is a bad choice.