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texasdave · Jun 28, 2007, 05:30 am

Isherwood,
God did create the hammer. He told you to leave it alone. He warned you of how dangerous it was. He did not create in you the desire to do it. He created you with the freedom to choose to pick it up or leave it alone. The freedom to put it back down or hit yourself with it. Your desire is part of your choice. Adam and Eve had the freedom to choose of EVERY bush and tree in the Garden. It was just the ONE they were warned about. God gave them tons of right choices and the freedom to choose among them but ony ONE wrong choice. Now, we have tons of wrong choices but only ONE right one. Jesus Christ. He is the tree of life. We got ourselves into this mess. God gave us a way out.

texasdave · Jun 28, 2007, 05:32 am

My relationship with God is as a servant in this world but as a son with full inheretance in heaven.

pikatore · Jun 28, 2007, 07:24 am

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It was just the ONE they were warned about.

Well you can't blame them, they were so stupid and gullible that... a talking snake ( ?!?!?!? ) convinced them to eat the apple because god lied (... he lied?) about what the apple would do to them. And why the hell create that tree there to begin with?!

Giving us the choice is once thing. But creating a mental, sentient framework that is unable to directly confirm god's existence in it's mind due to GODS appearnt refusal to show himself, is in my opinion, stupid.

By the way, I just realised a side inconsistency about that. Why is it a punishment to have a snake crawl on it's belly for the rest of it's days? :(

And I'd strongly prefer if you answered my last post. You seem to be skipping answering some of my best posts on this and other threads.

pikatore · Jun 28, 2007, 07:30 am

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My relationship with God is as a servant in this world but as a son with full inheretance in heaven.

That didn't answer my question. Read the OP again.

derek · Jun 28, 2007, 09:45 pm

Honestly though....

call me athiest or whatever... I obviously can't speak for everybody, just myself....

I didn't decide to reject any god or rebel against it. I heard from others about this god. I honestly said, "hello?... anybody there?"... and (unless you want me to lie to you) I'd have to say I got no response. I can't really say that there was any kind of relationship there or even possible to be there. There was honestly nothing ......

If Zeus or the Hebrew God or Whoever is meeting me to judge me in the afterlife.... they would say "you were honestly looking for what was there ... and.... off to Hell you go (or whatever it's judgement would be)"

I could either make up things, tell you lies, skirt the truth, etc.... or I can tell you what I honestly and truly know and think. And believe you me, it'd be a lot easier if I could honestly say otherwise (especially living in the Bible Belt

)

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 05:10 am

derek,
God gives you enough evidence of His existence if you earnestly seek Him. He gives you just enough doubt for you to choose of your own free will to deny Him. Choose wisely.

pikatore · Jun 29, 2007, 08:40 am

Alright texas, I don't want you to post on my thread anymore unless you will answer the post I have directed at you.

**Jack** · Jun 29, 2007, 10:32 am

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God gives you enough evidence of His existence if you earnestly seek Him

(emphasis added)

I'm amazed by this way of thinking. If you go looking for something nebulous hoping to find it, you'll eventually convince yourself you have. This is a function of perception and mindset. If you believe all people are evil, you'll begin to be able to only see the evil people do and thus convince yourself that they are all evil. If you want to believe in a designed universe, your perceptions will confirm your beliefs. You see what you want to see. You perceive the world based on your expectations and bias. If you can truly "become as a little child" and perceive the wonder and beauty of the world without expectations and predisposition, you'll be able to better see what is there instead of what you want to be there.

Maryjane · Jun 29, 2007, 10:44 am

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But a female god , theres those times in the month and PMT and if you do something wrong she will never let you forget it or forgive you. And if you want to live with her you have to accept the fact that she's always right.

oink, oink, oink....btw, it's goddess not god and PMS not PMT

God help you when she hits menopause...you think PMS is bad?

ItsDarts · Jun 29, 2007, 01:57 pm

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God gives you enough evidence of His existence if you earnestly seek Him.

So all those Hindus who earnestly sought their gods found them? Must be because there are over a billion Hindus and surely you are NOT going to suggest that they are nuts are you? I guess this means that your god is NOT the only one available. Prove me wrong.

derek · Jun 29, 2007, 03:29 pm

It's funny how the response to "I've seeked and this is what I've found" is "if you seek then you will find"

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 09:52 pm

Jesus did say "seek and you will find"

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 09:57 pm

And I say "Why follow a wild goose hunt?"

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 09:59 pm

Bnet,
I used to be an atheist myself so I know it isn't a wild goose hunt. Besides, there are indeed wild geese.

pikatore · Jun 29, 2007, 09:59 pm

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Jesus did say "seek and you will find"

You musnt of read my post. STOP PREACHING.

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:04 pm

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Bnet,
I used to be an atheist myself so I know it isn't a wild goose hunt. Besides, there are indeed wild geese.

I used to be a Christian (Forced into it by the way) I can tell from an outside perspective that it was childish for me to think these Fairytales where real. I feel sorry for you Dave. You've put your head in a box and won't come out. Hard to enjoy life like that, huh? Saddest part about being an Atheist, when we're dead we can't say "I told you so".

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 10:05 pm

pikatore,
Nope, not gonna stop doin' that. ( Texas accent)

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:06 pm

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pikatore,
Nope, not gonna stop doin' that. ( Texas accent)

Keeping your head in the box? I imagine it must be warm in there.

texasdave · Jun 29, 2007, 10:06 pm

Bnet,
You used to be Christian? So you used to be saved and now you are lost?

Bnet505 · Jun 29, 2007, 10:08 pm

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Bnet,
You used to be Christian? So you used to be saved and now you are lost?

I used to be lost, then I found a road map and found out that I'm not in the woods from the Blair Witch Project but actually in my back yard.

Jun 29, 2007, 08:40 am	#87 (permalink) (top)
pikatore A Celestial Monkey Location: In England Posts: 1,613	Alright texas, I don't want you to post on my thread anymore unless you will answer the post I have directed at you. "Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh Economic Left/Right: -0.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38

Jun 29, 2007, 09:57 pm	#93 (permalink) (top)
Bnet505 Athelib Posts: 224	And I say "Why follow a wild goose hunt?" Pray for me, I'll think for you. No Belief In: God, restriction of civil liberties, recycling, monogamy, extremism, prejudice, Apple and Microsoft, War on Drugs, Annoying online people, The war

Jun 28, 2007, 05:30 am	#81 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Isherwood, God did create the hammer. He told you to leave it alone. He warned you of how dangerous it was. He did not create in you the desire to do it. He created you with the freedom to choose to pick it up or leave it alone. The freedom to put it back down or hit yourself with it. Your desire is part of your choice. Adam and Eve had the freedom to choose of EVERY bush and tree in the Garden. It was just the ONE they were warned about. God gave them tons of right choices and the freedom to choose among them but ony ONE wrong choice. Now, we have tons of wrong choices but only ONE right one. Jesus Christ. He is the tree of life. We got ourselves into this mess. God gave us a way out.

Jun 28, 2007, 05:32 am	#82 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	My relationship with God is as a servant in this world but as a son with full inheretance in heaven.

Jun 28, 2007, 09:45 pm	#85 (permalink) (top)
derek What do you think? Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 24	Honestly though.... call me athiest or whatever... I obviously can't speak for everybody, just myself.... I didn't decide to reject any god or rebel against it. I heard from others about this god. I honestly said, "hello?... anybody there?"... and (unless you want me to lie to you) I'd have to say I got no response. I can't really say that there was any kind of relationship there or even possible to be there. There was honestly nothing ...... If Zeus or the Hebrew God or Whoever is meeting me to judge me in the afterlife.... they would say "you were honestly looking for what was there ... and.... off to Hell you go (or whatever it's judgement would be)" I could either make up things, tell you lies, skirt the truth, etc.... or I can tell you what I honestly and truly know and think. And believe you me, it'd be a lot easier if I could honestly say otherwise (especially living in the Bible Belt )

Jun 29, 2007, 05:10 am	#86 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	derek, God gives you enough evidence of His existence if you earnestly seek Him. He gives you just enough doubt for you to choose of your own free will to deny Him. Choose wisely.

Jun 29, 2007, 03:29 pm	#91 (permalink) (top)
derek What do you think? Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 24	It's funny how the response to "I've seeked and this is what I've found" is "if you seek then you will find"

Jun 29, 2007, 09:52 pm	#92 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Jesus did say "seek and you will find"

Jun 29, 2007, 09:59 pm	#94 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Bnet, I used to be an atheist myself so I know it isn't a wild goose hunt. Besides, there are indeed wild geese.

Jun 29, 2007, 10:05 pm	#97 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	pikatore, Nope, not gonna stop doin' that. ( Texas accent)

Jun 29, 2007, 10:06 pm	#99 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	Bnet, You used to be Christian? So you used to be saved and now you are lost?