Abortion Rapes Women

[texasdave]

I have noticed there are several similarities between abortion and rape. Such as:
1. Both are invasive into a woman's genetalia.
2. Both are acts of violence.
3. Both are against someone's will. With rape, against the woman's, with abortion against the unborn child's.
4. Both traumatize the woman.

[Jubloz]

Texas, how many threads do you need in relation to abortion? Why can't this be contained to the preexisting thread?

[Kamehameha34]

1. Both are invasive into a woman's genetalia. 2. Both are acts of violence. 3. Both are against someone's will. With rape, against the woman's, with abortion against the unborn child's. 4. Both traumatize the woman.

1. So is sex. That doesn't mean it's rape.
2. No, disposing of an unwanted part of your body is not violence. Until the fetus is born, it's part of the woman.
3. Objects don't have will.
4. Do you know where you are? This isn't a discussion forum, this is a debate forum. You need to back up every assertion you make if you want to be taken seriously.

[texasdave]

I have every intention of backing it up. Stand by.

[Kamehameha34]

You intend that abortion traumatizes every woman that undergoes the procedure? I'm looking forward to this.

[Mia]

A fetus is an object?

[CoffeeSaint]

Quote by: Mia A fetus is an object?

It ain't a person, so it probably shouldn't be described as a subject.

Hey Dave, don't forget to start your threads on how abortion is theft, and child abuse, and torture, and sexual molestation, and slavery, and genocide, and, um, kidnapping, and cannibalism, and necrophilia, and polygamy, and bestiality, and every other big mean word that you can misapply without any evidence in this pathetic attempt to rile people up.

Let me ask you something. Are you under the impression that you're making a difference? Don't you see that someone who agrees with your depiction of abortion as every possible evil is already someone who would never have an abortion? Anyone else will either feel slightly guilty as they go ahead and have their abortions anyway, or will simply see you as offensively stupid. You have no reasonable arguments, so no reasonable person is ever going to change their minds to agree with you; what, then, is your purpose? Is being this offensive and judgemental fun for you? Considering how you claim to feel compassion for infants, I find that somewhat ironic.

Tell you what: you admit that your whole argument is a joke, and I'll act like a merchant of death who worships Satan so you can feel like you're really doing the Lord's work. Deal?

[DEEJ85]

Rape is considered immoral because it is without the woman's consent.

Abortion is done with the woman's consent.

Also Abortion does not necessarily traumatize a woman. If this was so, then why would so many women undergo such treatment?

[jascowhiz0]

Quote by: DEEJ85 Rape is considered immoral because it is without the woman's consent. Abortion is done with the woman's consent. Also Abortion does not necessarily traumatize a woman. If this was so, then why would so many women undergo such treatment?

I don't know, why do so many people smoke cigarettes? They are proven to be bad for you.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: jascowhiz0 I don't know, why do so many people smoke cigarettes? They are proven to be bad for you.

Good point, because so many women are addicted to abortions. :rolleyes:

Quote by: Kamehameha34 You need to back up every assertion you make if you want to be taken seriously.

Like you do, pffft.

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Good point, because so many women are addicted to abortions. :rolleyes:

Whores are, know a few who have had like 10.

[jascowhiz0]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Good point, because so many women are addicted to abortions. :rolleyes:

People are told over and over smoking is bad for you and they still start to smoke anyway. Obviously people aren't spreading the word that you will be traumatized when you go into an abortion, but many, many women are traumatized.

[DEEJ85]

those women should reevaluate their lifestyle.

[Praxius]

Quote by: texasdave I have noticed there are several similarities between abortion and rape. Such as: 1. Both are invasive into a woman's genetalia.

An invasion is something not wanted by the owner of that vagina.... if she is getting an abortion, then isn't that by her choice.... similar to choosing to have sex, rather then being raped?

2. Both are acts of violence.

Apparently you don't know the differences between an operation and a violent attack.......

One is covered under the medical code that the doctor shall do no harm to the patient..... while the other is in complete disregard to to person's well being.

3. Both are against someone's will. With rape, against the woman's, with abortion against the unborn child's.

That Unborn child is a fetus, and I'm sorry, but first cum, first serve.... the mother or victim is still the person in which was raped and aginst her will..... And as it goes for the fetus, how do you know what this fetus wants? Did it ever occur to you that perhaps this fetus wouldn't want to be born under those cercumstances? I know I wouldn't...... It'd be hell to look at my mother and probably be even more hell to know who my father was who raped my mother..... did you ever considder that?

4. Both traumatize the woman.

Well let's see..... which trauma is worse? When you are put into a situation like this.... that's the whole point and root of the Truama..... Do you continue with the birth of this rape child, giving the rapist a message that you accepted that what he did was ok...... and then live everyday looking at the face grow up of the person who raped you....... or live the rest of your life worrying about all of that that never came?

I'd choose the abortion any friggin day in that situation.

[Praxius]

Quote by: jascowhiz0 I don't know, why do so many people smoke cigarettes? They are proven to be bad for you.

Because it's their choice what they want to do with their bodies....

I just started smoking in January, and I quit this past week..... why did I start? Why did I stop? Because I could and I wanted to try it.

These woman have the control over what goes on in their bodies.... they may not have had contorl of the outside while being raped, but as least they have the option to remove this truamatizing infection in their bodies if they decide to. Placing down any laws any other way to oppose what you can do to your own body is unconstitutional imo and goes against any human rights I know of.

And yet Marijuana is still illegal..... *shrugs*

Quote by: Praxius Because it's their choice what they want to do with their bodies.... I just started smoking in January, and I quit this past week..... why did I start? Why did I stop? Because I could and I wanted to try it. These woman have the control over what goes on in their bodies.... they may not have had contorl of the outside while being raped, but as least they have the option to remove this truamatizing infection in their bodies if they decide to. Placing down any laws any other way to oppose what you can do to your own body is unconstitutional imo and goes against any human rights I know of. And yet Marijuana is still illegal..... *shrugs*

I'm with you on the pot, I don't like the smell or the taste, but there should be no regs on what grows in the ground.

[Technosoul]

A woman has the right (legally) to say no. She can say no before sex, or even during sex and if the man does not stop then it is rape. A woman can also say no after sex and that "NO" is called an abortion.
If you force the continued process of reproduction onto the woman it is rape.

Abortion says "no" (I am not or no longer willing).
Outlawing abortion is rape in the sense that you force her to reproduce a child of a man when she is not willing to do so and wants to say "no way".

Texasdave, you got it upside down and backwards.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: jascowhiz0 People are told over and over smoking is bad for you and they still start to smoke anyway. Obviously people aren't spreading the word that you will be traumatized when you go into an abortion, but many, many women are traumatized.

Stop pulling things out of your ass.

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Stop pulling things out of your ass.

He made a valid point. How is that pulling things out of his ass? Because someone made a point you couldn't half-ass invalidate, you tell them to stop. What a grand style of debating.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: Gambr1nus He made a valid point. How is that pulling things out of his ass? Because someone made a point you couldn't half-ass invalidate, you tell them to stop. What a grand style of debating.

He made an assertion that he didn't back up. Learn how to debate, and you'll be able to keep up. You'll start to learn that when someone makes an assertion, they have to back it up with outside sources. Until then, don't act like an ass.

This is why you're on my ignore list - I had you pegged as someone who wouldn't contribute anything worthwhile when I first saw your posting.