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Athena · Jun 7, 2007, 02:32 pm

Adam and Eve ate the fruit of forbidden knowledge because they wanted to be as knowledgeable as the gods.

After eating the fruit, Eve said "The earth and several other planets revolve around the sun."

Adam said "E=mc squared"

Unfortunately, they didn't write the book of God's truths.

Jagged · Jun 7, 2007, 02:39 pm

Hahahahahahahah

ZNFYRH · Jun 7, 2007, 02:40 pm

Someone once asked me:

"What if eating the fruit gave them the knowledge that God didn't exist?"

And I responded:

"Then who was it telling them not to eat the fruit?"

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Jun 7, 2007, 02:43 pm

Consider Athena

1 was the tree of knowledge created or did it evolve?

2 was the tree of knowledge then destoyed?

3 why after eating the fruit did ignorance quickly set in too both Adam & Eve

4 why do we seek knowledge when we are born knowing everything?

SoylentGreen · Jun 7, 2007, 03:08 pm

Isn't it true that after eating the apple their first act was to cover their genitals with fig leaves and by this act god knew that they had eaten the apple.
So the knowledge they gained was the morality that the bible imposes. and for gaining this morality they were then punished.
go figure.

texasdave · Jun 7, 2007, 06:18 pm

The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was independence. Both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil were in the midst of the garden. Probably right next to each other. They were not hidden in some corner but in the " midst" of the garden. They repesent the choice we each have of reliance on God or reliance on ourselves. Then they were cast out of the garden because if they wanted independence then they got it. They got evil and good in the same world to choose from. God said they would die if they ate of it and they did. So life with God or death without Him. Choose.

DEEJ85 · Jun 7, 2007, 08:59 pm

It wasn't so much the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge OF good and Evil.

**Jack** · Jun 7, 2007, 09:32 pm

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in the midst of the garden. Probably right next to each other. They were not hidden in some corner but in the " midst" of the garden.

No doubt you're right, seeing as how Genesis is so explicit on its description of the geography of the garden. But I looked and couldn't find those trees.
Garden of Eden, Uninc Kankakee County, Kankakee, Illinois, United States - Google Maps

SoylentGreen · Jun 8, 2007, 12:19 am

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So life with God or death without Him. Choose.

So adam and eve chose death without him.
Well if its good enough for our origional parents then good enough for me.

Technosoul · Jun 8, 2007, 01:04 am

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No doubt you're right, seeing as how Genesis is so explicit on its description of the geography of the garden. But I looked and couldn't find those trees.
Garden of Eden, Uninc Kankakee County, Kankakee, Illinois, United States - Google Maps

They moved it over the the Creationist Musem . Check their map.

Technosoul · Jun 8, 2007, 01:38 am

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It wasn't so much the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge OF good and Evil.

"the tree of knowledge between good an evil".

Now they have become like us, knowing good from evil.

Humans became judgemental with that knowing.

Adam knew Eve was to blame, Eve knew the serpent was to blame.

That was when human relationships started to crumble as people kept blaming someone else.

And Alice said "judgement makes me feel tall, and being judged makes me feel small, this mushroom should be forbidden fruit". Then she opened the doors of perception and entered another dimension.

And the cat smiled and then vanished 'woe, how can the gods of the enchanted forest keep track of all those judgements mankind makes in order to pass out proper punishments upon those so judged?

Off with their heads; the Queen of cards shouted.

And so it was that they brought the head of John to the Queen, behold the judgements have been fullfilled. And the queen smiled, and put an apple into the mouth of poor John, and then she vanished.

The garden vanished, the mushroom vanished, the tree vanished, and the Face of God was seen no more.

texasdave · Jun 8, 2007, 05:13 am

So now each of us has knowledge of good and evil. We must choose good and life or evil and death. This is why there is no neutral ground.

SoylentGreen · Jun 8, 2007, 05:46 am

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So now each of us has knowledge of good and evil. We must choose good and life or evil and death. This is why there is no neutral ground.

This is only if you choose to believe a silly story. There are things you may call evil in which I see only good, so its purely an arbitary term.
And if you ask a priest why children die they say only the good die young.
So its not really much of a choice is it.

Technosoul · Jun 8, 2007, 07:29 am

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So now each of us has knowledge of good and evil. We must choose good and life or evil and death. This is why there is no neutral ground.

Life is good.

Death is evil.

Foreknowedge of death changes how we express life.

Technosoul · Jun 8, 2007, 07:32 am

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This is only if you choose to believe a silly story. There are things you may call evil in which I see only good, so its purely an arbitary term.
And if you ask a priest why children die they say only the good die young.
So its not really much of a choice is it.

They believe that death is not death but is pathway to more life in the afterlife ( aka - after death (which is not death) ).

Is that perfectly clear now?

Technosoul · Jun 8, 2007, 07:36 am

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Quote by: Athena

Adam and Eve ate the fruit of forbidden knowledge because they wanted to be as knowledgeable as the gods.

After eating the fruit, Eve said "The earth and several other planets revolve around the sun."

Adam said "E=mc squared"

Unfortunately, they didn't write the book of God's truths.

Athena, is this a test to see if goofy topics are more popular then topics that would be more constructive?

16 responses and counting.

SoylentGreen · Jun 8, 2007, 01:47 pm

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[BTechnosoul][/b]
They believe that death is not death but is pathway to more life in the afterlife ( aka - after death (which is not death) ).
Is that perfectly clear now?

No that just muddies the water even more.
death is not death, so then evil is not evil?
Does knowing of death make it evil?

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Jun 8, 2007, 03:07 pm

texasdave and DEEJ85 would you consider an independant, self reliant person good or evil?

Arawn-ap-Hywel · Jun 8, 2007, 03:09 pm

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Life is good.

Death is evil.

Foreknowedge of death changes how we express life.

Technosoul like the good life

disagree with the evil of death, (essential rather than evil)

Much agree with foreknowledge of death changing how our life can be expressed :)

DEEJ85 · Jun 8, 2007, 06:03 pm

I think being an independent, self reliant person is not evil. One could also practice independence and self-reliance as a Christian.

I do not even think physical death is evil. Why should I fear death?

It is spiritual death which is not good.

Jun 7, 2007, 02:32 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Athena Iconoclast Posts: 5,077	forbidden knowledge Adam and Eve ate the fruit of forbidden knowledge because they wanted to be as knowledgeable as the gods. After eating the fruit, Eve said "The earth and several other planets revolve around the sun." Adam said "E=mc squared" Unfortunately, they didn't write the book of God's truths.

Jun 7, 2007, 08:59 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
DEEJ85 Igneous Magma Posts: 261	It wasn't so much the tree of knowledge, it was the tree of knowledge OF good and Evil. Beware of Logical Fallacies. See a list of them in the link below. http://home.mcn.net/~montanabw/fallacies.html

Jun 8, 2007, 06:03 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
DEEJ85 Igneous Magma Posts: 261	I think being an independent, self reliant person is not evil. One could also practice independence and self-reliance as a Christian. I do not even think physical death is evil. Why should I fear death? It is spiritual death which is not good. Beware of Logical Fallacies. See a list of them in the link below. http://home.mcn.net/~montanabw/fallacies.html

Jun 7, 2007, 02:39 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Jagged 99 Red Balloons Location: Washington DC Posts: 274	Hahahahahahahah

Jun 7, 2007, 02:40 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Someone once asked me: "What if eating the fruit gave them the knowledge that God didn't exist?" And I responded: "Then who was it telling them not to eat the fruit?"

Jun 7, 2007, 02:43 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,121	Consider Athena 1 was the tree of knowledge created or did it evolve? 2 was the tree of knowledge then destoyed? 3 why after eating the fruit did ignorance quickly set in too both Adam & Eve 4 why do we seek knowledge when we are born knowing everything?

Jun 7, 2007, 03:08 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Hot Lava Posts: 2,209	Isn't it true that after eating the apple their first act was to cover their genitals with fig leaves and by this act god knew that they had eaten the apple. So the knowledge they gained was the morality that the bible imposes. and for gaining this morality they were then punished. go figure.

Jun 7, 2007, 06:18 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	The fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil was independence. Both the tree of life and the tree of knowledge of good and evil were in the midst of the garden. Probably right next to each other. They were not hidden in some corner but in the " midst" of the garden. They repesent the choice we each have of reliance on God or reliance on ourselves. Then they were cast out of the garden because if they wanted independence then they got it. They got evil and good in the same world to choose from. God said they would die if they ate of it and they did. So life with God or death without Him. Choose.

Jun 8, 2007, 05:13 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
texasdave BANNED Location: Texas Posts: 731	So now each of us has knowledge of good and evil. We must choose good and life or evil and death. This is why there is no neutral ground.

Jun 8, 2007, 03:07 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
Arawn-ap-Hywel Hot Lava Posts: 1,121	texasdave and DEEJ85 would you consider an independant, self reliant person good or evil?