Pow Wow

[Technosoul]

Gee, we should hold a big summit for peace talks between Christians and Atheists.

Starting to sound like those Tom Cats I hear outside everynight hissing at each other.

Why can't we have some peaceful co-existance? Now low-toned debates done in a reasonable and respectful manner, is okay, not what I think needs resolving. Its the all out word wars that are going on from Washington DC down to the office break room that I am talking about.

Many Scienitists go to some church with their families like everyone else, and they know that the Big Bang theory is just another speculation among many, and they don't care if people believe it or not. People should not be getting all upset over these kinds of topics.

So we need a big Pow Wow to explore ways to make peace.

Anyone got a Peace Pipe.... what? you don't smoke? Oh oh.

Now let's see here.... should we use a round table or a square one?

[Slevin57]

There would be no conflict if there were not seemingly respectable people on both sides condemning the other.

The problem is not the people, it's the people in charge that are creating the problem.

The bible is full of examples condemning people who did not believe in Jesus. Instead of telling those who do follow Jesus a message of faith, hope and opportunity.. They get a message of trials and tribulation.

Atheists are not organized as such, but they do have their own resources and some semblance of organization.

[Technosoul]

TAO -

"If you walk ahead of me I will not follow. If you walk behind me I will not lead you. But if you walk next to me, equal, then I will share this journey with you".

[megadeth425]

Peaceful religious existance won't happen simply because religions will never stop fighting. History's biggest and most bloody wars have all been fought out of religious hatred. For now these wars are suppressed, so I say debate is better than bloodbaths.

[Jack]

peace talks between Christians and Atheists

Maybe you could start by trying to generate a little peace between Christians themselves. Haven't you noticed that some of the most disparaging posts have been from fundamentals of one branch of Christianity belittling those of the other branches? I'm especially thinking of former forum members who belonged to the Orthodox sect.

[Jubloz]

Quote by: Technosoul Why can't we have some peaceful co-existance?

Because there are religious fanatics that feel God whispers to them personally, and that they are God's true representative and everyone else's say is satanic and evil.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Isherwood Maybe you could start by trying to generate a little peace between Christians themselves. Haven't you noticed that some of the most disparaging posts have been from fundamentals of one branch of Christianity belittling those of the other branches? I'm especially thinking of former forum members who belonged to the Orthodox sect.

But that is like Dave Crockett telling the Indians to make peace between their own tribes before they talk peace with white man.

But not a bad idea now that you thought of it.

It is interesting because they might stand united agenst the Atheist but not united when it comes to internal spats. No doubt if aliens attacked the earth both the USA and Iran would share the same foxhole to shoot back at them. It is kind of a strange paradox or something like that.
I am sure that scientists also not not agree with each other over certain concepts or theories.

Being that Atheists are are composed of random organizations instead of ordered ones they might not have stuff to disagree about among their peers. Do they,....? Would like to know if they do or don't.

Mom and Pop might fight over something but might be in agreement about what the kids must do. Another example. Being that most kids are "aliens" by the way they behave nowadays. Re: the Generation Gap.

But during the Pow Wow they pass around the peace pipe and everyone in the circle shares the same pipe together. That is done to give people the idea about "shared existance". And that idea is the foundation for possible peace.

If you have everyone use "one" pipe only.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Jubloz Because there are religious fanatics that feel God whispers to them personally, and that they are God's true representative and everyone else's say is satanic and evil.

I think that you have missrepresented how they think as a majority.

But some do.

Once at this workplace we were on break time and I was expecting the normal sermons from the other workers. When I said that I believed in the indwelling spirit instead of scripture they said I would go to hell.

But I was prepared this time. I had gotten some cola with ice cubes in it, unknown to then I had my finger on a ice cube and it had become num due to the frozen ice and had no feeling. When they said hell I took my ciggarette which was lit and hot on one end, I held it with only two fingers, the burning end being held with the my frozen finger. I held it that way for a long time while the finger was thawing out and said "Why should I fear hell, the fire cannot burn me, see, no scare on my finger".

The poor fellow nearly freaked out and acturally ran from the room "you are a devil" he screamed. The rest of the week no one talked about religion in the break room.

I still remember the look on his face. I count that little event as a hallmark point in my life. But they never talked much to me after that.
He was the bosses son so I soon was unemployed as well. But it was worth it.

I had grown up in northen USA and during the winter as a kid I would thaw my stocking feet out by putting them on the hot radeator heater.
So that is how I had learned about that little "magic trick".

[Jubloz]

Quote by: Technosoul I think that you have missrepresented how they think as a majority. But some do.

It was mostly meant as bitter sarcasm, but yes, some do. :(

[Technosoul]

But the Pow Wow idea presents another interesting perspective that came to the surface. Few have faith in peace. It seems for some to be as much of a myth as God. A non-existant reality that has no logical way to exist and never did.

Is the concept of peace a mythological illusion also. Was John Lennon shot for nothing? Is peace some sort of drug induced vision that has no bases for realistic people to even concider?

In an African Arab culture they say "May God go with you" and I was told the same saying means 'May Peace go with you". Odd. are they the same?

This is opening some new windows for me. Your comments are welcome, or a good ass kicking, whatever?

[Jack]

It is interesting because they might stand united agenst the Atheist but not united when it comes to internal spats.

That's why god created atheists. We represent a position that members of all religions can hate or fear together. In their dislike for atheists, all theists can join hands and sing, "We are the World".

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Technosoul Gee, we should hold a big summit for peace talks between Christians and Atheists.?

Why why only between Christians and Atheists? Why not between human and human??

Starting to sound like those Tom Cats I hear outside everynight hissing at each other. Why can't we have some peaceful co-existance? Now low-toned debates done in a reasonable and respectful manner, is okay, not what I think needs resolving. Its the all out word wars that are going on from Washington DC down to the office break room that I am talking about. Many Scienitists go to some church with their families like everyone else, and they know that the Big Bang theory is just another speculation among many, and they don't care if people believe it or not. People should not be getting all upset over these kinds of topics.Christians and Atheists.?

I would put all this to human crooked nature!

So we need a big Pow Wow to explore ways to make peace. Anyone got a Peace Pipe.... what? you don't smoke? Oh oh. Now let's see here.... should we use a round table or a square one?

Long back, I wrote "The possibility of religionless World". I do not exactly remember whether, I opened a thread or, wrote that in some post on some thread!

Apart from selfish nature of human mind, various religions are main reason for unrest in the world. So, to my mind, if the root cause of unrest is removed, the chances of peace to emerge out are mximum. Now the basic question would remains:

Is it possible to eradicate all types of religions from the world scene???

Rationally, the base of religions has become so firm in whole of world that cofident answer is a big "NO" to the main question!!!!

Then what is the alternative??? The Pow Wow in the language of Techno.

Secularism of India, if practised in real meaning, might be of some use. Accordingly, all religions have equal status, no binding on any body to have faith in any particular religion. Let there be total freedom in selection of any religion. Let faith be practiced with a Pow Wow slogan:

LIVE AND LET LIVE !!!!

If this slogan rise from the minds of whole world's population and practiced without any ifs and buts, I think the desired peace would emerge out.

[ZNFYRH]

Quote by: Technosoul TAO - "If you walk ahead of me I will not follow. If you walk behind me I will not lead you. But if you walk next to me, equal, then I will share this journey with you".

Sayings like that are the reason why I'm more of a Taoist/Buddhist.

Quote by: Isherwood That's why god created atheists. We represent a position that members of all religions can hate or fear together. In their dislike for atheists, all theists can join hands and sing, "We are the World".

Perfectly hilarious.

The one thing that can unify fanatical theists of any sect is passionate dislike for those who don't believe at all.

[DEEJ85]

You would be surprised at the discrepancies inside specific churches as well. In my church the youth pastor tends to wear a hat inside the building, He does not wear it during actual services, so that is not a problem.

He was approached by a few church elders which told him that it was wrong to even wear a hat in a casual environment inside the church at all. In fact they even offered to donate money to the youth group if he would not wear any hats. Most of the people of younger generations in my church think that it perfectly fine to wear a hat in the church not during services.

I chose the sect of Christianity that I am in because it feels to be the right one for me. I have been to services in other sects that have been quite nice. Who am I to say that Mine is more "holy" then someone else? I may disagree with how something is done on their side, but does this mean they are going to hell? I am not God so how would I know?

[Technosoul]

As I ponder the ideas of such a Pow Wow for peace the news has reported that conflicting religious tribes in Bagdad Iraq have held such peace talks between one another A cease fire was announced today which included no more hostage taking.

Iraqi group says reaches ceasefire with al Qaeda - Yahoo! News

Now we in America think that those insurgent groups are the most radical and "crazy" religious fundamentalists on earth, and yet here they are sitting down a their peace talks. Bagdad (or all places) might again become a place for peaceful co-existance between religious groups and their own governmental army. They still have a few minor debates to get through to iron out some details.

Now the Bush objective has been realized for Bagdad and we can ship our troops home post-haste. Because of a pow wow and not because force was used to distroy all the insurgents.

Wonder how we are doing here in the steeets of Volconvo today?

[arielmessenger]

Here's a joint cooperation project for atheists and theists alike to consider:

Fanatical members of each one of the traditional Abrahamic religions, Judaism, Pauline Christianity, and Islam, have prostituted their teachings of brotherly love with commandments taken as mandates to kill and destroy those who oppose the religion's territorial conquest and control agendas.

This abuse of spiritual consciousness by Abrahamics in political power has caused the expected negative reaction of atheists and non-Abrahamic theists. But atheists and non-Abrahamic theists are greatly outnumbered by the Abrahamics and they have little impact on the ability of Abrahamics to wreak murder and mayhem in the world even today. In fact, it's as bad now as it has ever been with Muslims taking over the role of gruesome Abrahamic bullies wherever they achieve political power.

I know how to strike the death blow to all the traditional Abrahamic faiths because God has shown me the Achilles Heels and fatal flaws of each spiritual or philosophical path that doesn't lead to recognition of the Holy One.

What say atheists and theists wishing to see the overthrow of Abrahamic religious authority help me spread the new gnosis that forever destroys the false authority given Abrahamic religious leaders?

[Osborn F Enready]

I have never had a problem getting along with a devout religious person who is REASONABLE, and I am agnostic.

I don't try to interfere in other peoples lives, and they shouldn't try to interfere in mine, and that is called respect.

I see the biggest problem with peace amongst humans being the divide between religions, and the extremes they resort to to FORCE others to follow THEIR beliefs.

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I have never had a problem getting along with a devout religious person who is REASONABLE, and I am agnostic. I don't try to interfere in other peoples lives, and they shouldn't try to interfere in mine, and that is called respect. I see the biggest problem with peace amongst humans being the divide between religions, and the extremes they resort to to FORCE others to follow THEIR beliefs.

Peace through Power.... quote from Nixon.

And Bush's ideas to promote Democracy in the world which of course means 'freedom of religion" so that Christians can be free to preach where they are now banned.

It might be the merger of religious idealism with military might that causes the biggest problem. And the military might is normally under the influence of governmental or so-called secular leaders.

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