Basic Logic III: absence of evidence

[Jagged]

Absence of evidence is most certainly evidence of absence.


Question: Was there an elephant in this bathroom?

Absences of evidences~
No elephant waste
No elephant smell
No damage to the room
No point of entry

We have none of these evidences that would entail that there was an elephant in the room but this is BEYOND A DOUBT.. evidence of absence.


The problem is, people often forget that we're talking about evidence and not proof.

Absence of PROOF is not PROOF of absence.

I agree with the last part, but the elephant argument doesn't coincide with the god argument, because there is absolutely no reason an elephant could have been in the bathroom. The statement "We exist" or "stuff exists" could be plausible evidence of God's existence.


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[Lullaby Chainer]

I agree with the last part, but the elephant argument doesn't coincide with the god argument, because there is absolutely no reason an elephant could have been in the bathroom. The statement "We exist" or "stuff exists" could be plausible proof of God's existence.


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I feel we lack the evidence of what our world should be like if the Christian god were true.

Again, don't confuse evidence with proof. This is only evidence, and in regards to god it's pretty small evidence.

[Jack]

there is absolutely no reason an elephant could have been in the bathroom. The statement "We exist" or "stuff exists" could be plausible proof of God's existence.

If by "reason" you are appealing to reason, then you might agree with us who maintain that reasoning about existence does not necessitate gods. There is no reason to suppose that gods exist. Gods, by most common definitions, are both illogical and unreasonable. That's why faith is required.

[cidcadcas]

Absence of evidence is most certainly evidence of absence.


Question: Was there an elephant in this bathroom?

Absences of evidences~
No elephant waste
No elephant smell
No damage to the room
No point of entry

We have none of these evidences that would entail that there was an elephant in the room but this is BEYOND A DOUBT.. evidence of absence.


The problem is, people often forget that we're talking about evidence and not proof.

Absence of PROOF is not PROOF of absence.

With such a scenario, you can assume that there would be evidence of the elephant in the bathroom if it had been there.

Can you lead me along the thought process that lead you to believe the same for a god?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Can you lead me along the thought process that lead you to believe the same for a god?

Yeah.. I don't see how our world matches up to the existence of the Christian god.

[cidcadcas]

Yeah.. I don't see how our world matches up to the existence of the Christian god.

I also agree that the Christian god, as professed, is implausible.

[Jagged]

Yeah, i completely meant evidence in that last post... Christian god? Well yeah that doesnt make sense. But God in the sense of some being that created everything.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Yeah, i completely meant evidence in that last post... Christian god? Well yeah that doesnt make sense. But God in the sense of some being that created everything.

It has to at least be a theory for me to consider it. Do you have a theory? I don't fancy wild ideas.

[ZNFYRH]

Lullaby

I didn't bring God into the thread... it was in the OP. Look towards the bottom after the word "thus."

The point is that the reason absence of evidence is valid regarding a 12 foot tall elephant being in a 10 foot tall room is that the characteristics of both cannot co-exist.

But using that argument for God in the universe, two things which are undefined, is incorrect.

[Lullaby Chainer]

But using that argument for God in the universe, two things which are undefined, is incorrect.

You can't use much of anything with something that's undefined. Please address my post.

[cidcadcas]

You can't use much of anything with something that's undefined. Please address my post.

Doesn't that just mean that god is immune to such logical syllogisms as in the OP, that depend on premises that define it?

[Lullaby Chainer]

Doesn't that just mean that god is immune to such logical syllogisms as in the OP, that depend on premises that define it?

God is immune to logic? That's not being undefined.