Atheists

[Turismo2029]

I don't intend to offend anybody with this post, but here goes:

An atheist is not someone who does not believe in god, an atheist is someone who believes the big bang theory.

Meaning, atheists have some explaining of their own to do, considering the fact that Darwinism is hardly and more founded than Genesis anyway, classing yourself as an atheist doesn't mean are void from being put in the middle of an intellectual debate.

I don't believe in any religion, and I'm not an atheist either considering the big bang theory doesn't sound too logical to me.

So, I have a question for all atheists and christians, specifically:

What makes Darwins/the Bibles version of events any more logical or founded in any way than the other?

Most people who claim to be an atheist are too dumb to be an atheist and will no doubt not be able to explain to me how the big bang theory is any less fundamentally flawed than genesis is.
Same goes for you, christians, I doubt you can explain to me how genesis is any less fundamentally flawed than the big bang theory.

If you can, do it, if not, then don't post on subjects you have no knowledge about. :)

[saltinespike]

I don't intend to offend anybody with this post, but here goes:

An atheist is not someone who does not believe in god, an atheist is someone who believes the big bang theory.

This statement is ignorant. An atheist certainly is someone who does not believe in God. Or else there wouldn't being such a thing as atheism. Many atheists believe the Big Bang theory, but your assumptions that all atheists believe it are judgemental and misled.

Meaning, atheists have some explaining of their own to do, considering the fact that Darwinism is hardly and more founded than Genesis anyway, classing yourself as an atheist doesn't mean are void from being put in the middle of an intellectual debate.

I don't believe in any religion, and I'm not an atheist either considering the big bang theory doesn't sound too logical to me.

So, I have a question for all atheists and christians, specifically:

What makes Darwins/the Bibles version of events any more logical or founded in any way than the other?

Most people who claim to be an atheist are too dumb to be an atheist and will no doubt not be able to explain to me how the big bang theory is any less fundamentally flawed than genesis is.
Same goes for you, christians, I doubt you can explain to me how genesis is any less fundamentally flawed than the big bang theory.

If you can, do it, if not, then don't post on subjects you have no knowledge about. :)

You are misled. The Big Bang is a theory, true, but a theory isn't just a random guess. "Your guess is as good as mine" does not apply here. A theory is an inference (educated guess) based on knowledge that we currently have. We've seen proof of galactic explosions, compressed energy, etc. I have yet to see a magic trick be pure magic, without there being a trick to it. A member posted something about a man who challenged anyone to prove magic to him, someone has yet to succeed.

To say that the two 'theories' are equal to one another is naive. Big Bang theory has an upper hand, while the creationist only has "it's what people have always believed".

[Turismo2029]

I'm a very ignorant person, however, I ask you to actually look up the meaning of the word "atheist" and you'll find it supports my post.

Neither the big bang theory nor genesis has any kind of proof that either even did or did not occur, therefore, your guess actually is as good as mine.

[saltinespike]

I'm a very ignorant person, however, I ask you to actually look up the meaning of the word "atheist" and you'll find it supports my post.

Neither the big bang theory nor genesis has any kind of proof that either even did or did not occur, therefore, your guess actually is as good as mine.

False. Do you know the definition of theory? I suggest you look it up. There is support behind the Big Bang. It is not proven, but proof is not needed to have an upper hand. One is an inference and one is a random guess. Bottom line. Unless someone can convince me otherwise.

As for your atheism claim, terms are not always defined by technicality (sp?). I bet around 90% of atheists do not believe in a creator or mystic being. All atheists, by technical terms do not believe in a mystic being.

[fushigi]

Actually the Big Bang theory doesn't disprove the existence of God. Einstein was a firm believer in God.

In a recent book Max Jammer, Rector Emeritus of Bar Lan University in Jerusalem, a former colleague of Albert Einstein at Princeton, claims that Einstein's understanding of physics and his understanding of religion were profoundly bound together, for it seemed to Einstein that nature exhibited traces of God quite like "a natural theology." Indeed it is with the help of natural science that the thoughts of God may be tapped and grasped. On the subject of Einstein and God Friedrich Dürrenmatt once said, "Einstein used to speak of God so often that I almost looked upon him as a disguised theologian." I do not believe these references to God can be dismissed simply as a façon de parler, for God had a deep, if rather elusive, significance for Einstein which was not unimportant for his life and scientific activity. It indicated a deep-seated way of life and thought: "God" was not a theological mode of thought but rather the expression of a "lived faith" (eines gelebten Glaubens).

Note this doesn't advance the argument that God exists one bit.

As for your desire for a definition of "atheist": "someone who denies the existence of god." That's the Princeton definition. Where'd you get yours?

fushigi

[Zinkovich]

I'm a very ignorant person, however, I ask you to actually look up the meaning of the word "atheist" and you'll find it supports my post.

Atheism, at it's very linguistic roots, means "lack of belief in God". It stems from the word "atheosis", which was used by the Greeks/Romans to describe those without religious experience or cut off from divine contact.

Now, I don't see anything about the Big Bang central to such an meaning- do you? Even in the modern nomenclature, it's root, etc. literally translates to "without god". Nothing about the Big Bang in the meaning of the word whatsoever.

Edit: Damn you fushigi! Your time will come! *shakes fist*

[Zeebadee]

So what do atheists think about ID?

[Turismo2029]

You know what?

I can't find my source.

I only looked this stuff up last week too, so for now rather than attempting to create the usual almighty baseless rebuttal which most people do when they realize they got owned, I'm going to leave it for now, and hunt down my source sometime in the near future.

From what I've found just now though, it looks like my previous source was, for lack of better words "speaking from his dorsal side".

[fushigi]

No worries. God still loves you.

[Turismo2029]

Don't push your religious beliefs onto me, christian!

[fushigi]

Heh, other religions have gods too.

[Jack]

I think it's as unproductive and pointless to try and define "all atheists" using any definition beyond lacking a belief in gods than it is to try to describe what all theists believe beyond a belief in god(s). Not all atheists care about science, not all theists believe in creationism.