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fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 02:45 pm

Prove that it isn't.

Kamehameha34 · Mar 31, 2007, 03:10 pm

That's quite impossible when you set your epistemelogical standards so high.

fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 03:32 pm

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That's quite impossible when you set your epistemelogical standards so high.

So you admit that you cannot prove this is anything more than your own private Idaho?

Mr.Vicchio · Mar 31, 2007, 04:00 pm

Why should we prove anything? If this is all in our minds, then we have serious issues with our own minds, and need clinical help, because we are debating with ourselves!

fushigi · Mar 31, 2007, 04:16 pm

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Why should we prove anything? If this is all in our minds, then we have serious issues with our own minds, and need clinical help, because we are debating with ourselves!

So how would you go about proving that it was real, then?

pahl · Mar 31, 2007, 07:22 pm

I could prove that it is real if the world as i percive it is real. If its all in my imagination then im nuts anyway.

Scribbler1 · Mar 31, 2007, 08:02 pm

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Why should we prove anything? If this is all in our minds, then we have serious issues with our own minds, and need clinical help, because we are debating with ourselves!

It's not that weird. We've all had nightmares, haven't we?

And I can name a couple of phantasms on this board that fit that description quite well.

And no, I won't name them.

**Jack** · Mar 31, 2007, 09:17 pm

My imagination isn't creative enough to have come up with some of you.

gw120 · Mar 31, 2007, 10:01 pm

Can't be a fantasy, if it was everyone here would have the same beliefs as me, in which case I wouldn't be here in the first place because I like to argue, and you can't argue with someone who agrees with you. So if it was my fantasy I wouldn't be here. I'm replying so I must be here and thusly can't be my fantasy.

Jern_Sandyer · Mar 31, 2007, 10:20 pm

You saying that Volconvo exists only in MY mind then I feel sorry for all of you that have to share space with the thoughts that go though my head.

If I know someone else in real life that also is on Volconvo that would mean It couldn't exist just in my mind. But then again everything could just be a figment of my imagination. Or would it technically be a collective imagination. And then wouldn't we commit partial self-suicide. The ramifications of that idea....

fushigi · Apr 1, 2007, 01:58 am

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Can't be a fantasy, if it was everyone here would have the same beliefs as me, in which case I wouldn't be here in the first place because I like to argue, and you can't argue with someone who agrees with you. So if it was my fantasy I wouldn't be here. I'm replying so I must be here and thusly can't be my fantasy.

Not so. You invented us just to have someone to debate with. That's why all our arguments are incorrect, and all of yours are reasonable. We're just intellectual punching bags you set up yourself to train your bored, delusional mind.

We don't exist.

fushigi · Apr 1, 2007, 02:00 am

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If I know someone else in real life that also is on Volconvo that would mean It couldn't exist just in my mind. But then again everything could just be a figment of my imagination. Or would it technically be a collective imagination. And then wouldn't we commit partial self-suicide. The ramifications of that idea....

Or they could just be patronizing you, knowing that if you knew the truth (this message board is completely in your mind) the results would have overly catastrophic effects on your psyche.

Don't submit to their patronizing! Show them you know Volconvo doesn't exist!

PatrickHenry · Apr 1, 2007, 02:14 am

Heh. You can't prove ANYTHING exists...

fushigi · Apr 1, 2007, 02:18 am

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Heh. You can't prove ANYTHING exists...

Sure you can. You just have to adjust your qualifications for what it means to "exist."

Have numbers always existed? Did we discover them inscribed on a rock by God?

No, they're a figment of human imagination. But they explain facets of reality that cannot otherwise be explained. Therefore, we made them exist through our imagination, and the people who use them accept the fact that they have to agree they exist in order to develop more complex theories based on them.

iclaudius · Apr 1, 2007, 02:36 am

Why bother when all the evidence appears to indicate that we are, in actuality, sensing something very similar to reality? The burden of proof for this statement clearly lies with fushigi, being that he's the one who's contradicting the given evidence.

Compugasm · Apr 1, 2007, 04:35 am

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Prove that it isn't.

Since when are you part of my fantasy? Where is Ricardo Mantleban. This fantasy sucks. I want my money back.

fushigi · Apr 1, 2007, 05:41 am

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Since when are you part of my fantasy? Where is Ricardo Mantleban. This fantasy sucks. I want my money back.

Yeah I guess if it was really a fantasy there'd be less of the insults and short shrift and more of the topless Hawaiian girls and mai tais.

Mar 31, 2007, 02:45 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
fushigi Hot Lava Location: Beijing Posts: 2,340	Volconvo is a fantasy that only exists in your mind Prove that it isn't. "What truth endures beneath the flaming stream?" -- A Volcano, Bartolome de Las Casas, Inferno de Marsaya, 1536

Mar 31, 2007, 04:00 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Why should we prove anything? If this is all in our minds, then we have serious issues with our own minds, and need clinical help, because we are debating with ourselves! Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Mar 31, 2007, 09:17 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,763	My imagination isn't creative enough to have come up with some of you. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Mar 31, 2007, 10:01 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
gw120 Stabbed By Satan Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 247	Can't be a fantasy, if it was everyone here would have the same beliefs as me, in which case I wouldn't be here in the first place because I like to argue, and you can't argue with someone who agrees with you. So if it was my fantasy I wouldn't be here. I'm replying so I must be here and thusly can't be my fantasy. Economic Left/Right: -9.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79 Reality is fantasy; Facts are perception.

Mar 31, 2007, 10:20 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Jern_Sandyer Devil's Advocate Location: Alberta Posts: 136	You saying that Volconvo exists only in MY mind then I feel sorry for all of you that have to share space with the thoughts that go though my head. If I know someone else in real life that also is on Volconvo that would mean It couldn't exist just in my mind. But then again everything could just be a figment of my imagination. Or would it technically be a collective imagination. And then wouldn't we commit partial self-suicide. The ramifications of that idea.... Jern_Sandyer is the local Devil's Advocate Number 1 I doubt my sanity; yet again I doubt yours as well

Mar 31, 2007, 03:10 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,457	That's quite impossible when you set your epistemelogical standards so high.

Mar 31, 2007, 07:22 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
pahl Igneous Magma Location: Sweden Posts: 261	I could prove that it is real if the world as i percive it is real. If its all in my imagination then im nuts anyway.

Apr 1, 2007, 02:14 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,446	Heh. You can't prove ANYTHING exists... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Apr 1, 2007, 02:36 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
iclaudius Igneous Magma Posts: 332	Why bother when all the evidence appears to indicate that we are, in actuality, sensing something very similar to reality? The burden of proof for this statement clearly lies with fushigi, being that he's the one who's contradicting the given evidence.