When should Atheism be sorted out?

[ruiner]

Since the sad events of September 11th 2001 everyones priority has been quite rightly on Bin Laden, Saddam and the color coded warning system. But are we so focused on threats from abroad that we are missing a bigger threat from our own soil? I am speaking about a religion* other than Islam - atheism.

Atheist organisations such as American Atheists and the ACLU have realised that while we are combating the muslims abroad, the heat is off of them. Already atheism has infiltrated the government, courts and schools at the expense of Christianity. President Bush has been so occupied with Iraq that atheist agendas such as abortion, homosexual marriage and evolution in schools have been left unchecked.
The question is should something be done about this now, or can we afford to wait until Iraq is done? This question is really only relevant to Christians of course. I already know what the atheists will say :rolleyes:

*Yes okay atheists don't accept it is a religion but many bible scholars and scientists have pointed out many flaws with its reasoning, but thats another topic - please dont discuss it in this thread

[Pooeypants]

Well if we redefine the definition of religion to include that a lack of belief is also to be considered one...

President Bush has been so occupied with Iraq that atheist agendas such as abortion, homosexual marriage and evolution in schools have been left unchecked.

Anyway, those three agendas aren't really atheism propagated stuff, unless you can prove otherwise.

[Gorgo]

Well, we've heard on these boards that this (U.S.A.) is a Christian Nation and at the same time that Christians will soon be an oppressed minority.

I think someone is confused.

[ruiner]

Anyway, those three agendas aren't really atheism propagated stuff, unless you can prove otherwise.

The American Atheists website (www.atheists.org)

Has a whole section devoted to evolution on their site here: http://www.atheists.org/bone.pit/index.html

Sells pro-abortion books: http://www.atheists.org/catalogue/shop/prod5112.php

How do you plan on "sorting out" ME, an atheist?

Yes okay atheists don't accept it is a religion but many bible scholars and scientists have pointed out many flaws with its reasoning, but thats another topic - please dont discuss it in this thread

LOL.

[LogicaLunatic]

Originally posted by ruiner,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ruiner,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Since the sad events of September 11th 2001 everyones priority has been quite rightly on Bin Laden, Saddam and the color coded warning system. But are we so focused on threats from abroad that we are missing a bigger threat from our own soil? I am speaking about a religion* other than Islam - atheism.[/b]

Atheism = Lack of belief in any God and the lack of religious beliefs period.

So you contend...

Lack of religion = Religion

If that is true, then.....

Not breathing = Breathing
Lack of hunger = Hunger
Lack of light = Bright
Lack of sight = Seeing
Lack of height = Tall
Lack of health = Healthy

I understand why you believe what you do. This is the type of logic that leads to religious belief in the first place.

I know you asked us not to discuss this in this thread but it is central to your argument and is completely bunk.

Originally posted by ruiner,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ruiner,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Atheist organisations such as American Atheists and the ACLU have realised that while we are combating the muslims abroad, the heat is off of them. Already atheism has infiltrated the government, courts and schools at the expense of Christianity.[/b]

Good. It's about time people started letting go of an archaic, barbaric and illogical belief system.

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President Bush has been so occupied with Iraq that atheist agendas such as abortion, homosexual marriage and evolution in schools have been left unchecked.[/quote]

The majority of the people that support what you call the, "atheist agenda," came to their conclusions for a reason. They thought about it. Unlike you who base your beliefs and conclusions upon what some preacher tells you is in a single book.

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The question is should something be done about this now, or can we afford to wait until Iraq is done? This question is really only relevant to Christians of course. I already know what the atheists will say.[/quote]

It actually doesn't matter. No matter when you and your anti-thought, pro-belief buddies attempt to spread your garbage, religion is on the way out. Free thought is on the way in. With the advance of science, what you fear will inevitably come to be. Fortunately, when that happens, the world will be a better place.

LogicaLunatic

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

President Bush has been so occupied with Iraq that atheist agendas such as abortion, homosexual marriage and evolution in schools have been left unchecked.

I agree that abortion should be an option open to all, I believe in the theory of evolution but I disagree with homosexual marriage. Where does this put me in the great scheme of things?

I certainly don't believe in a god or a higher power. I think homosexual marriage is more a social issue rather than a religeous issue. If it was purely a religeous issue I wouldn't expect certain churces to tolerate it and welcome gay ministers into the church which in effect is a gay marriage in that a priest/nun is married to god.

Seeker

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by ruiner, The American Atheists website (www.atheists.org) Has a whole section devoted to evolution on their site here: http://www.atheists.org/bone.pit/index.html Sells pro-abortion books: http://www.atheists.org/catalogue/shop/prod5112.php

But what if other faiths promote the same things? Wouldn't that make your linkage void?
And evolution is science, science does not bias to any religion (Atheism is not a religion),

[Gorgo]

Very well said.

Originally posted by LogicaLunatic,

[ruiner]

Unfortunately the facts speak for themselves - an Atheist organisation is peddling a pro-abortion book on its website.

LogicaLunatic writes: The majority of the people that support what you call the, "atheist agenda," came to their conclusions for a reason. They thought about it

Yes, even bad decisions have thought behind them. The thought in this case is usually "I dont want to stick by the rules this country was built upon, I want to be able to sin but God won't let me". So they decide the best course is to rebel against God. My main aim today is to get these people back on ship.

LogicaLunatic writes: It actually doesn't matter. No matter when you and your anti-thought, pro-belief buddies attempt to spread your garbage, religion is on the way out.

Religion has become a lot more central to this country since President Bush has been elected. He will get a second term and in it he will start revoking all those silly atheist supported liberal laws. First will be roe vs wade and then creationism will finally get into schools. There is no point resisting - why bother? Grow out of your childish rebellelion and embrace the Bible.

LogicaLunatic writes With the advance of science, what you fear will inevitably come to be

Unfortunately the liberal version of science has been on the way out for years. People are finally waking up to the fact that it is nowadays producing nothing than liberal driven fantasies from "bacteria to man" to global warming. There is an apt Bible verse about modern science:
Romans 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools"

Seeker of Sins writes: I believe in the theory of evolution but I disagree with homosexual marriage. Where does this put me in the great scheme of things?

Your chosen cybername really says it all. True you are in a great position to convince your liberal friends about the dangers of homosexual marriage, but apart from that you are certainly hellbound. But you can change all that you know.

Seeker of Sins writes: I think homosexual marriage is more a social issue rather than a religeous issue. If it was purely a religeous issue I wouldn't expect certain churces to tolerate it and welcome gay ministers into the church which in effect is a gay marriage in that a priest/nun is married to god.

Unfortunately these cannot be counted as real churches, just as the "church" of Rael isn't a real christian church! There are certain principles in the Bible that must be followed. If you don't follow them you cannot be a real christian.

Pooeypants writes: But what if other faiths promote the same things? Wouldn't that make your linkage void?

I am afraid not. These other faiths are just one step away from liberalism, which is the anti-thesis of the Bible.

I would like to leave you all with a quick thought:
How many people have marvelled at the butterfly or imagined soaring above the mountains with the eagle? And yet how many of these people have denied divine Creation of these wonderful creatures? No doubt if the butterfly and eagle could talk they would shout "God made us you idiot!", but unfortunately they cannot (they have no vocal chords). Without faith the truth will always remain illusive.

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by ruiner, Since the sad events of September 11th 2001 everyones priority has been quite rightly on Bin Laden, Saddam and the color coded warning system. But are we so focused on threats from abroad that we are missing a bigger threat from our own soil? I am speaking about a religion* other than Islam - atheism.

Threat?? How is not believing in a so-called higher power a threat to anyone? Also, simply because there are organized groups of atheists in this country does not in any way constitute a religion. I suppose by your faulty logic, Parents Without Partners would be a religion, or the Kiwanis Club, or the AARP.

Further, most athiests do not belong to any organazition which features atheism as its core. Most atheists have no problemns with religion for others, it just doesn't work for them. Again, what specifically is the "problem"? Are you implying if you force a dose of good ol' religion on us, we will be "cured"?

Finally, atheists must work a little harder to form our own opinions, even though it is a lot easier to be told how to think, what is right and wrong, and how much to pity/disparage those who don't share the same mindset.

[Gorgo]

Yeah. Animals talk. Right.

[Autophage]

Some atheists I know are against abortion. Some are against gay marriage. Not all by any means, but as many were turned off by the organized aspects of religion to begin with, it'd be difficult to form an organization of Atheists that speaks for the views of all Atheists, everywhere.

[donkrabbit]

Originally posted by ruiner, I would like to leave you all with a quick thought: How many people have marvelled at the butterfly or imagined soaring above the mountains with the eagle? And yet how many of these people have denied divine Creation of these wonderful creatures? No doubt if the butterfly and eagle could talk they would shout "God made us you idiot!", but unfortunately they cannot (they have no vocal chords). Without faith the truth will always remain illusive.

I have a difficult time understanding how exactly this proves God's existence. The logic seems a bit circular to me, since your argument assumes that God did indeed create butterflies and eagles, but you don't prove that this is true. Consider this statements;

"If butterflies and eagles could talk, they would shout 'Biological evolution creates us you idiot!', but unfortunately they cannot (they have no vocal chords)."


Do you consider that to be a valid argument that butterflies and eagles were created as a result of evolution? I certainly do not.


Also, why is truth illusive without faith? It would seem to me that faith is a poor method of discovering what is true and what is untrue, since faith does not require beliefs to be supported by objective and logical reasoning. You can have faith in anything- regardless of whether it is true or not.

[Mia]

It is still called the theory of evolution, right? Neither can be proven.

[donkrabbit]

I believe there is plenty of scientific proof behind the claims of evolutionism. Although I have to admit that I personally am not very educated on the subject.

Still, I don't think that the fact that one theory cannot be proven makes another theory any more true. I can admit that I do not know how the universe was created, but I do not believe God created it. Some creationists seem to believe that if you can't prove that the universe was created any other way, then Creationism wins by default.

[Suburbanite]

lol, the ACLU is an atheist organization? That must have been what the Mormons and the KKK were saying when the ACLU defended them.

[mrmufin]

Originally posted by ruiner,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ruiner,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Since the sad events of September 11th 2001 everyones priority has been quite rightly on Bin Laden, Saddam and the color coded warning system. But are we so focused on threats from abroad that we are missing a bigger threat from our own soil? I am speaking about a religion* other than Islam - atheism.[/b]

If atheism is a religion, baldness is a hair color.

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So what, specifically, do you propose should be done? Perhaps some good, ol' fashioned witch trials? Or maybe take all 'em atheists out back an' flog 'em severely with a blunt object? Just curious...

Regards,
mrmufin

[mrmufin]

Originally posted by Mia, It is still called the theory of evolution, right? Neither can be proven.

Just as there are theories of gravity, relativity, beta decay, etc. BTW, "proofs" are for mathematics and alcohol. Science relies on evidence, of which there is a great deal supporting biological evolution. See the talk.origins website for discussions of such evidence.

Regards,
mrmufin

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by donkrabbit, I believe there is plenty of scientific proof behind the claims of evolutionism. Although I have to admit that I personally am not very educated on the subject. Still, I don't think that the fact that one theory cannot be proven makes another theory any more true. I can admit that I do not know how the universe was created, but I do not believe God created it. Some creationists seem to believe that if you can't prove that the universe was created any other way, then Creationism wins by default.

Firstly, this is science, there is no such thing as Gravitism or Germism, evolution has no "ism" to it. And secondly, a scientific theory is a collective model of explanations for a given phenomenon that has been tested thoroughly and found to correlate with the data. Creationists play by Ignorance is strength, that's all they have and all they will ever have lest God comes down and gives us a demonstration.