When should Atheism be sorted out?

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by ruiner, I would like to leave you all with a quick thought: How many people have marvelled at the butterfly or imagined soaring above the mountains with the eagle? And yet how many of these people have denied divine Creation of these wonderful creatures? No doubt if the butterfly and eagle could talk they would shout "God made us you idiot!", but unfortunately they cannot (they have no vocal chords). Without faith the truth will always remain illusive.

Sorry, mythical talking animals only exist within the old testament and other story books.

[Mia]

Originally posted by donkrabbit, I believe there is plenty of scientific proof behind the claims of evolutionism. Although I have to admit that I personally am not very educated on the subject. Still, I don't think that the fact that one theory cannot be proven makes another theory any more true.

That was my point - evolutionists have decided that since creationism cannot be proven, that means their theory must be correct, forgetting scientists call it a theory for a reason. And the same goes for Creationists.

I belong to the latter group, but don't get into debate about it because no matter how much research I post, I can't prove it definitively in the end, so it is a waste of time.

There is evidence for evolution, just not near enough that the world and all it's inhabitants were created randomly to say with any accuracy that's waht happened.

Same thing for Creationism. There is just as much scientific evidence for it as well, but not enough for the purely scientific minded. My faith + the evidence that does exist is enough for me.

To the original post in this thread: just plain dumb. Just because athiest websites promote certain things, doesn't mean they came about due to athiests, and not all athiests subscribe to those beliefs.

By definition, athiests do not conform to any type of dogma so the whole post was illogical.

I am a Christian and I agree with some of the agendas being pushed by athiests and many other non- Christian groups. So we can't be pidgeon-holed, either.

[Milton Bradley]

Logical Lunatic's signature sums up what many Atheists would say if they were eloquent enough.


I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." -- Stephen Roberts


Thanks for that wonderful quote LL.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by Mia, That was my point - evolutionists have decided that since creationism cannot be proven, that means their theory must be correct, forgetting scientists call it a theory for a reason. And the same goes for Creationists.

Wrong on two counts. Number 1, Creationism is not science, has never been and never will be. It can be pseudoscience if you like but tis all about abuse of science. Number 2, Evolution has the gathered evidence and correlates with ALL known data, it has no rival. Period.
Evolution is the pillar of modern biology, if it collapses, so does understanding of natural biologically world...

I belong to the latter group, but don't get into debate about it because no matter how much research I post, I can't prove it definitively in the end, so it is a waste of time. There is evidence for evolution, just not near enough that the world and all it's inhabitants were created randomly to say with any accuracy that's waht happened.

We've got more evidence to Evolution than that of gravity...

Same thing for Creationism. There is just as much scientific evidence for it as well, but not enough for the purely scientific minded. My faith + the evidence that does exist is enough for me.

There is no scientific evidence in direct support for Creationism. You can present some if you want though.

So please, don't even try to compare evolution to creationism, the latter is a complete and utter farce.

[Scribbler1]

I honestly don't understand how these threads get going in the first place, unless the thread originators just post them to try to stir things up. Ruiner's 2nd post, where he says he will "leave us" with a thought seems to indicate this.

I usually support religion if it works for you, but simply ask to keep it out of MY face. Lately though, I see religion in general as growing quite sinister. The violent zealots in the Middle East come to mind, and I see religious bigotry as shown in the attitude of how to "deal with" atheism as a small step away from the same extremism that drives Arab terrorists.
Further, and this is not just to stir up crap, I feel that if you think there is a "threat" from ordinary citizens who don't believe as you do, then your so-called faith is pathetically weak.

Scribbler (head poobah of the "we're gonna get you Christians while you sleep" organization, a wholly owned subsidiary of MTV)

[ruiner]

So what, specifically, do you propose should be done? Perhaps some good, ol' fashioned witch trials? Or maybe take all 'em atheists out back an' flog 'em severely with a blunt object? Just curious...

Stage 1) Re-establishment of Christian values in America. Reintroduction of prayers at school. Restriction of abortion. Creationism taught in schools, restriction of homosexual behaviour.

Stage 2) Clensing of atheist strongholds. All anti-God organisations such as ACLU and abortion groups banned. Science exposed as having deep atheist agendas - evolution, global warming, etc. All scientists required to make statements of faith before getting qualifications. Atheist scientific method replaced with Christian scientific method.

Stage 3) Renaissance of Faith. Atheism banned. Atheist agendas such as Abortion, evolution, homosexuality illegalised. Government and Church work side by side. Going to church made compulsory. Foreign policy designed to spread the word of Christ.

Stage 4) Redemption. Our country will be blessed by God. Less crime, less earthquakes and hurricanes, more food and money, etc.

You can't knock it until you've tried it.

These events will happen in the next few decades. There are many people working on this goal.

[Pooeypants]

Err ruiner, what the hell are you talking about? Those plans are so absurd I am just going to stand back, point and laugh.

(Good Joke though I must admit)

[Scribbler1]

Originally posted by ruiner, Stage 1) Re-establishment of Christian values in America. Reintroduction of prayers at school. Restriction of abortion. Creationism taught in schools, restriction of homosexual behaviour. Stage 2) Clensing of atheist strongholds. All anti-God organisations such as ACLU and abortion groups banned. Science exposed as having deep atheist agendas - evolution, global warming, etc. All scientists required to make statements of faith before getting qualifications. Atheist scientific method replaced with Christian scientific method. These events will happen in the next few decades. There are many people working on this goal.

Cleansing of Atheist STRONGHOLDS??? Missed out on the Taliban recruitment drive, didn't you?

Now I KNOW you're putting us on, as you have obviously crafted your post to reflect the most UN-christian and UN-American sentiments I have seen in a long time. Good job.

[mrmufin]

Originally posted by ruiner,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ruiner,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Stage 1) Re-establishment of Christian values in America. Reintroduction of prayers at school. Restriction of abortion. Creationism taught in schools, restriction of homosexual behaviour.[/b]

What will be the respective penalties for not praying in school, getting an abortion, and engaging in homosexual behavior?

Originally posted by ruiner,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (ruiner,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Stage 2) Clensing of atheist strongholds. All anti-God organisations such as ACLU and abortion groups banned. Science exposed as having deep atheist agendas - evolution, global warming, etc. All scientists required to make statements of faith before getting qualifications. Atheist scientific method replaced with Christian scientific method.[/b]

Please enlighten me with a comparison of the atheist and Christian scientific methods. I don't recall being asked my religious affiliation when entering college to earn a degree in science...

Originally posted by ruiner, Stage 3) Renaissance of Faith. Atheism banned. Atheist agendas such as Abortion, evolution, homosexuality illegalised. Government and Church work side by side. Going to church made compulsory. Foreign policy designed to spread the word of Christ.

What will be the respective penalties for being an atheist and not attending church? And what penalties, if any, shall be imposed on those pesky practitioners of other religions? And what sanctions shall be imposed on the foreign nations which reject the word of Christ?

Originally posted by ruiner, Stage 4) Redemption. Our country will be blessed by God. Less crime, less earthquakes and hurricanes, more food and money, etc.

Now if you can guarantee that God will do something to eliminate all the fat, ugly people running loose out there...

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What if I told you that I tried it, but it didn't work out for me?

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These events will happen in the next few decades. There are many people working on this goal.[/quote]
Yeah, loads of people are engaged in the mission: you, and Jack Van Impe. Unless, of course, you are Jack Van Impe. ruiner, me thinks you know much less of science, American history, and constitutional law than I know of religion. If I saw a bunch of intelligent folks rushing in to defend your pathetic, intensely bigoted, un-American sentiments, I might pause and worry for a few seconds.


Regards,
mrmufin

Hey Ruiner. If there a many people working towards your goal. How many do you think will be needed to bend my knees in your church? How many do you think will survive the attempt?

Really, I think you''re just having us on. Nobody's THAT crazy. Are they?

[donkrabbit]

Originally posted by ruiner, ...Less crime...

How do you figure? There are, afterall, a higher percentage of Christians in prison than atheists. About 77-80% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. 83.8% of prisoners identify themselves as Christians. 8-16% of Americans identify themselves as atheists, yet only 0.21% of prisoners identify themselves as atheists.

Source

[ruiner]

I think DonkRabbit sir that you need to go checking up on the facts before making up statistics. The connections between atheism and crime have been known for years.

Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead

SOURCE: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/200...2819.31942.html

[donkrabbit]

Your claim was that if atheism is gotten rid of, then crime in America will decrease. I hardly see how the numbers you have provided back up that claim. I think the statistics I have provided do a much better job of demonstrating the religious or non-religious beliefs of the people committing crimes in America today.

[ruiner]

I think the statistics I have provided...

That's the problem. My interpretations are Objective, yours are Subjective.

[donkrabbit]

Specifically how are my "interpretations" subjective? I gave you concrete percentages of the religious orientation of prison inmates. These did not come from my own opinions on the issue.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by ruiner, I think DonkRabbit sir that you need to go checking up on the facts before making up statistics. The connections between atheism and crime have been known for years. Joseph Stalin, Atheist: 20 million plus dead Mao-Tse-Tung, Atheist: 40 million plus dead Pol Pot, Atheist: 2 million dead Kim-Il-Sung, Atheist: 5 million dead Fidel Castro, Atheist: 1 million dead SOURCE: http://www.adequacy.org/public/stories/200...2819.31942.html

In that case, tell me kill counts for WWI and II, and include the respective religions.

[ruiner]

Really, I think you''re just having us on. Nobody's THAT crazy. Are they?

You would think so wouldn't you?

http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/po...at/0/Board/UBB1 Welcome to the 2nd level

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by ruiner, You would think so wouldn't you? http://freeconservatives.com/ubbthreads/po...at/0/Board/UBB1 Welcome to the 2nd level

Hmm, an extremist's forum. Okey dokey. Anyway Ruiner, joke over, be sensible now.

[ruiner]

okay. Seriously though, everything I said is based at some time on things I have heard others seriously put forward.

[Pooeypants]

Originally posted by ruiner, okay. Seriously though, everything I said is based at some time on things I have heard others seriously put forward.

I've heard some of the things you brought up but I guess you must have contact with more fundementalists than I do, I assume you're from the US?