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Zhavric · Mar 25, 2007, 11:03 am

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It's impossible to say for sure, but plently. How many did God drown in the flood or burn to death in Sodom and Gomorrah? How many first-born Egyptians did he kill? There's just no way to count them all.

But sometimes the Bible tells us exactly how many were killed by God. Here's a list of those that I can find. (If you find any that I've missed, let me know and I'll add them to the list.)

So far I come up with a total of 2,270,365 (not inlcuding, at least in some cases, women and children).

This site...

gospeakit.com - Bible Body Count

... goes on to give a break down of the 2.2 MILLION people god has allegedly murdered.

How can Satan compare to numbers like that? Good thing both god and satan are fictional.

So we're told, · Mar 25, 2007, 11:06 am

This really made me ponder.
I'll have to read into that.

Jagged · Mar 25, 2007, 11:29 am

I like that point, although it only applies to those who actually despise Satan opposed to simply seeing him as the thing who represents bad things.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 25, 2007, 11:43 am

Satanists are more righteous than Christians! :O

Not to mention, Satan is a puppet created BY God. Not only is God setting up the rules and the place for eternal punishment, he created Satan knowing precisely what Satan would do. He attended for it to happen. He then, like Zhavric mentions, murders innocent babies and millions of his own creations as if he were surprised that his omniscience REALLY was correct. :rolleyes:

Zhavric · Mar 26, 2007, 02:31 pm

Honestly... what can Satan do to compare with that sort of body count?

ZNFYRH · Mar 26, 2007, 04:48 pm

If you want to be technical, if you're going to suppose that God created Man, and that God created Man mortal, then God has killed everyone.

Satan just inspires it to happen sooner rather than later.

But God is to blame for the mortality.

SoccerfreakAB2 · Mar 26, 2007, 04:55 pm

I knew God killed lots of people...but damn!

What has Satan done anyways that makes him so bad??

saltinespike · Mar 26, 2007, 05:13 pm

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I knew God killed lots of people...but damn!

What has Satan done anyways that makes him so bad??

He defied God. Which means... holy hell (no pun intended), all atheists (I'm an atheist) are going to hell! But now that I think of it, that doesn't seem too bad.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 26, 2007, 05:16 pm

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He defied God. Which means... holy hell (no pun intended), all atheists (I'm an atheist) are going to hell! But now that I think of it, that doesn't seem too bad.

Lol, definitely. God scares the crap out of me.. Satan seems like an alright guy. Not to mention all of my favorite people are going to be in Hell.

(I'm half-kidding, half-serious with the above)

saltinespike · Mar 26, 2007, 05:20 pm

I agree. Satan seems kinda average. Not like the "perfect" God. Me and Satan are gonna have some hard ass parties. Hahaha.

Alright, to be honest, the above only applies if the Christian religion is true (which I truely doubt).

gw120 · Mar 26, 2007, 05:35 pm

Lucifer's a nice fellow, I met him on highway 61 a couple weeks ago. Contrary to popular belief he is not red and does not have a tail. In fact, he is a white man, he has blue eyes, and looks oddly similar to Ronald Reagan, but has George Bush's hair. Coincidence? I think not.

SoccerfreakAB2 · Mar 26, 2007, 06:51 pm

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He defied God. Which means... holy hell (no pun intended), all atheists (I'm an atheist) are going to hell! But now that I think of it, that doesn't seem too bad.

Haha but really, has Satan ever killed anyone? Are there any biblical references to anthing terrible he's done (besides defy God)?

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 26, 2007, 09:02 pm

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This site...

gospeakit.com - Bible Body Count

... goes on to give a break down of the 2.2 MILLION people god has allegedly murdered.

How can Satan compare to numbers like that? Good thing both god and satan are fictional.

Upon viewing the site, you'll find that the list only accounts for that which the Bible has given actual numbers. That which is vague is not tallied for the body count, but they still must be a TON.

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Sodom and Gamorrah

Don't forget when God flooded the Earth and wiped out the entire human race.

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I don't see the plagues in there...first born of egypt...thats got to be a couple of guys.

atheist · Mar 26, 2007, 10:05 pm

I attend a bible study group as one of my more weekly social club haunts.

Just last week we were going over a passage about Noah and the ark. And there was the idea going around that god was merciful in this scenario, for letting noah+family live, even though the flood killed all other existing humans/animals on the planet.

the reasoning was somehwhere along the line that: since god made man, it's his right to unmake man. thus, it was merciful of god to make the decision that he would allow humankind to continue via Noah.

anyway, has anyone here read Paradise Lost? I thought satan was adorable, in a immatureishly sexy sort of way. I pictured christ as the shy/quiet/cute/clean/in-the-corner sibling. and god was the single-parent father, trying to manage an overflowing household.

rambling. 100th post yay!

jascowhiz0 · Mar 26, 2007, 11:05 pm

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Quote by: Zhavric

This site...

gospeakit.com - Bible Body Count

... goes on to give a break down of the 2.2 MILLION people god has allegedly murdered.

How can Satan compare to numbers like that? Good thing both god and satan are fictional.

The comparison should be God vs. lack of God(evil). Not God vs. one evil being(Satan). Satan doesn't have the power to kill. Evil has killed millions upon millions of people.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 26, 2007, 11:32 pm

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The comparison should be God vs. lack of God(evil). Not God vs. one evil being(Satan). Satan doesn't have the power to kill. Evil has killed millions upon millions of people.

The chemical functions that spark urges in people to commit acts we now deem as evil, or in your bizarre twisted cop-out excuse for God.. "lack of God", IS created by God.

To add to the list.. the millions of people that die of natural disasters.

Chaossaber314 · Mar 27, 2007, 04:25 am

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If you want to be technical, if you're going to suppose that God created Man, and that God created Man mortal, then God has killed everyone.

Satan just inspires it to happen sooner rather than later.

But God is to blame for the mortality.

Mortality is a supposedly a punishment for Eden. In affect the devil is indirectly responsible for tricking Adam and Eve and causing the deaths of everyone else not directly attributed to God through mortality.

tinybear · Mar 27, 2007, 05:11 am

Quotes from Satan, taken from the 1999 movie"The End Of Days":

Satan: Something good happens, "It's His will." Something bad happens, "He moves in mysterious ways."

Satan: Let me tell you something about Him. He is the biggest underachiever of all time. He just has a good publicist, that's all.

Zhavric · Mar 27, 2007, 06:22 am

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Quotes from Satan, taken from the 1999 movie"The End Of Days":

Of all the films that feature the devil as a character you chose that one...

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The comparison should be God vs. lack of God(evil). Not God vs. one evil being(Satan).

The comparison is whatever I care to make it

Seriously, though... The reason I chose Satan is Christians generally agree god is good and worthy of worship while Satan is evil and worthy only of contempt. But god has murdered well over 2.2 million human beings while Satan has done what exactly? What could he have done to compare to wiping out the population of a large U.S. state?

ZNFYRH · Mar 27, 2007, 08:30 am

Chaossaber,

Did Man become mortal when he ate the fruit, or was mortality God's punishment for disobeying?

Mar 25, 2007, 11:06 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
So we're told, Not with subtitles. Location: Texas, for now. Posts: 47	This really made me ponder. I'll have to read into that. The boys you left, are men you didn't raise.

Mar 25, 2007, 11:43 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Lullaby Chainer Posts: 3,014	Satanists are more righteous than Christians! :O Not to mention, Satan is a puppet created BY God. Not only is God setting up the rules and the place for eternal punishment, he created Satan knowing precisely what Satan would do. He attended for it to happen. He then, like Zhavric mentions, murders innocent babies and millions of his own creations as if he were surprised that his omniscience REALLY was correct. :rolleyes: *Powerful.. magical.. e-e-e-eevil..*

Mar 26, 2007, 02:31 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Zhavric Made of pure win. Posts: 3,600	Honestly... what can Satan do to compare with that sort of body count? Theists: supplying volconvo with lose since 2004.

Mar 26, 2007, 04:55 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
SoccerfreakAB2 ???? Location: Novi. Michigan Posts: 2,163	I knew God killed lots of people...but damn! What has Satan done anyways that makes him so bad?? "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but absolutely certainty is absurd." -Voltaire "I do not pretend to know what many ignorant men are sure of." -Clarence Darrow

Mar 26, 2007, 05:35 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
gw120 Stabbed By Satan Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 247	Lucifer's a nice fellow, I met him on highway 61 a couple weeks ago. Contrary to popular belief he is not red and does not have a tail. In fact, he is a white man, he has blue eyes, and looks oddly similar to Ronald Reagan, but has George Bush's hair. Coincidence? I think not. Economic Left/Right: -9.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79 Reality is fantasy; Facts are perception.

Mar 25, 2007, 11:29 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Jagged 99 Red Balloons Location: Washington DC Posts: 274	I like that point, although it only applies to those who actually despise Satan opposed to simply seeing him as the thing who represents bad things.

Mar 26, 2007, 04:48 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	If you want to be technical, if you're going to suppose that God created Man, and that God created Man mortal, then God has killed everyone. Satan just inspires it to happen sooner rather than later. But God is to blame for the mortality.

Mar 26, 2007, 05:20 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
saltinespike 20-20 Atheist Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 466	I agree. Satan seems kinda average. Not like the "perfect" God. Me and Satan are gonna have some hard ass parties. Hahaha. Alright, to be honest, the above only applies if the Christian religion is true (which I truely doubt).

Mar 26, 2007, 10:05 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
atheist life junkie Location: CA Posts: 142	I attend a bible study group as one of my more weekly social club haunts. Just last week we were going over a passage about Noah and the ark. And there was the idea going around that god was merciful in this scenario, for letting noah+family live, even though the flood killed all other existing humans/animals on the planet. the reasoning was somehwhere along the line that: since god made man, it's his right to unmake man. thus, it was merciful of god to make the decision that he would allow humankind to continue via Noah. anyway, has anyone here read Paradise Lost? I thought satan was adorable, in a immatureishly sexy sort of way. I pictured christ as the shy/quiet/cute/clean/in-the-corner sibling. and god was the single-parent father, trying to manage an overflowing household. rambling. 100th post yay! Sin is salvation. Without "sin" there wouldn't be a concept for "purity" and without a concept of "purity" one wouldn't be able to enter "heaven."

Mar 27, 2007, 05:11 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,017	Quotes from Satan, taken from the 1999 movie"The End Of Days": Satan: Something good happens, "It's His will." Something bad happens, "He moves in mysterious ways." Satan: Let me tell you something about Him. He is the biggest underachiever of all time. He just has a good publicist, that's all.

Mar 27, 2007, 08:30 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Chaossaber, Did Man become mortal when he ate the fruit, or was mortality God's punishment for disobeying?