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phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 12:05 am

I dunno if anyone's heard about this yet:

The Blasphemy Challenge

The gist is that these anti-theists are out there bribing the young and gullible with an anti-theist propaganda movie in order to get them to willingly damn themselves by blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So. What do you think, Volconvo?

Will those who so vehemently spoke out against the atrocities of Jesus Camp (incidentally, I felt the same), be so quick to condemn the same tactics when anti-theists are doing it?

Is the idea of being bribed with paradise even nearly as insidious as the idea of being bribed with a propaganda flick?

Is not such a proclamation, in fact, not only playing by Christian rules, but a statement of faith in and of itself?

What is to be gained by the anti-theists by doing stuff like this?

Let the hypocrisy begin.

Hmm · Mar 25, 2007, 12:14 am

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I dunno if anyone's heard about this yet:

The Blasphemy Challenge

The gist is that these anti-theists are out there bribing the young and gullible with an anti-theist propaganda movie in order to get them to willingly damn themselves by blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

So. What do you think, Volconvo?

Will those who so vehemently spoke out against the atrocities of Jesus Camp (incidentally, I felt the same), be so quick to condemn the same tactics when anti-theists are doing it?

Is the idea of being bribed with paradise even nearly as insidious as the idea of being bribed with a propaganda flick?

Is not such a proclamation, in fact, not only playing by Christian rules, but a statement of faith in and of itself?

What is to be gained by the anti-theists by doing stuff like this?

Let the hypocrisy begin.

How are those who agree to do as the video says being bribed?

jascowhiz0 · Mar 25, 2007, 12:42 am

I think its funny, damning people to hell for a video.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 25, 2007, 12:43 am

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I think its funny, damning people to hell for a video.

I think God is funny. Damning people to hell for a video.

So we're told, · Mar 25, 2007, 12:50 am

HAHAHHA!
isn't it funny that even people who don't believe in God, write books about him? make sites about him? VIDEOS about him? LOL. I find it hilarious.
I mean really ... who're they trying to convince that theres no God? Others .. or themselves?

phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 01:01 am

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How are those who agree to do as the video says being bribed?

They get sent a free DVD.

Mozart1220 · Mar 25, 2007, 01:16 am

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HAHAHHA!
isn't it funny that even people who don't believe in God, write books about him? make sites about him? VIDEOS about him? LOL. I find it hilarious.
I mean really ... who're they trying to convince that theres no God? Others .. or themselves?

Yeah, and it's hilarious how people see movies about Rocky, Captain Kirk, the Grinch that stole Christmas, and Darth Vader

There are Websites about Mork from Ork, and hundreds of books about Star Trek, Star Wars, and Sherlock Holms, to name just a few of the MILLIONS of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS that rate the same attention.

They must be trying to convince us those charactors are real as well eh?

As soon as someone ANYONE shows one small tiny shred of testable PROVABLE evidence of a "creator of the universe", I'll take God seriously.

Until then, any God that says "thou shalt not KILL" and then wipes out all life on the planet (except one guy and his family) is fictional in my book.

BTW, did Noah have to collect extra animals to feed the carnivors?

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 25, 2007, 01:51 am

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HAHAHHA!
isn't it funny that even people who don't believe in God, write books about him? make sites about him? VIDEOS about him? LOL. I find it hilarious.
I mean really ... who're they trying to convince that theres no God? Others .. or themselves?

wtf?

Are you serious? This is satire, right? I hope?

Religion KILLS. Religion is anti-progressive to society. Religion is INTOLERANT.

If your going to be having events, books written, movies made, and wars driven by YOUR freaking beliefs, have the HUMAN decency to let OUR beliefs be expressed in a little video.

So we're told, · Mar 25, 2007, 01:53 am

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Yeah, and it's hilarious how people see movies about Rocky, Captain Kirk, the Grinch that stole Christmas, and Darth Vader

There are Websites about Mork from Ork, and hundreds of books about Star Trek, Star Wars, and Sherlock Holms, to name just a few of the MILLIONS of FICTIONAL CHARACTERS that rate the same attention.

They must be trying to convince us those charactors are real as well eh?

As soon as someone ANYONE shows one small tiny shred of testable PROVABLE evidence of a "creator of the universe", I'll take God seriously.

Until then, any God that says "thou shalt not KILL" and then wipes out all life on the planet (except one guy and his family) is fictional in my book.

BTW, did Noah have to collect extra animals to feed the carnivors?

I believe that what you see as 'PROVABLE EVIDENCE' really depends on whom you ask. I could state many things in my life that I believe are provable and would be evident, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll change your point of view. And God wiped out the world [with warning, if I may add] in the old testament. When Christ was born much, much changed. I'm not too sure but I believe that the belief in ONLY God and not Christ is the Jewish belief and thats not what my statement was about.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 25, 2007, 01:59 am

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And God wiped out the world [with warning, if I may add] in the old testament.

How kind of him.

So we're told, · Mar 25, 2007, 02:02 am

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How kind of him.

Very, but as I stated that was apart of the old testament. And as it states in my other topic, I also have my own views that don't agree with Christianity.

Lullaby Chainer · Mar 25, 2007, 02:06 am

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Very, but as I stated that was apart of the old testament. And as it states in my other topic, I also have my own views that don't agree with Christianity.

Very?

So it'd be kind of me to tell the kidnapped little girl tied up in my room that I'm about to kill her?

I mean COME ON! He killed just about everyone.. I think "kind" went out the window.

So we're told, · Mar 25, 2007, 02:10 am

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Very?

So it'd be kind of me to tell the kidnapped little girl tied up in my room that I'm about to kill her?

I mean COME ON! He killed just about everyone.. I think "kind" went out the window.

By 'very'.
That was me being sarcastic.
not an odd thing for me.

Zhavric · Mar 25, 2007, 10:39 am

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I believe that what you see as 'PROVABLE EVIDENCE' really depends on whom you ask.

Ridiculous. Provable evidence can be scientifically verified by anyone (assuming the proper knowledge & equiptment). It has nothing to do with "who we ask".

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When Christ was born

That never happened.

Zhavric · Mar 25, 2007, 10:41 am

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The gist is that these anti-theists are out there bribing the young and gullible with an anti-theist propaganda movie in order to get them to willingly damn themselves by blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

It's funny to hear people who have been taken in by propaganda shake their fist at people who are trying to break them of that propaganda.

"What do you mean the Jews didn't burn the reichstagg. Of course they did because Hitler and his people said so. This is just propaganda..."

Zinkovich · Mar 25, 2007, 10:42 am

This is not comparable to Jesus Camp in any way whatsoever.

In Jesus Camp, we saw an example of a group of people being indoctrinated into thier belief by emotional indoctrination and communal acceptance. Here, we see an example of people merely stating they came about to the same ideas, albeit in a tactless manner. We don't see any political motivations, any concrete attempts to form an anti-Christian lobby because this is "One nation without God", we don't see any of them preaching atheism on the streets, or trying to introduce atheism into church discussions because priests need to "teach the debate"...

Most of all, we do not see attempts from atheists to hold all of the political power our nation possesses, nor to take legal action against Christians as individuals in terms of rights and legal status. From the religious right, a surprising majority has expressed such an opinion in surveys and studies held in the last 40 years. This makes them more of a potentially harmful group to our democracy than the atheists will ever be.

So, give me a break. I'd rather speak out against those that want to threaten my owns rights than someone who merely posted an angry video on the internet and made some random Christians on the internet yell "hypocrasy!"

There really isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this topic. Sorry, but the comparison really is laughable on many, many levels.

phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 01:26 pm

Well, Zink, at least YOU are on topic. I wasn't really referring to the political element. I was talking about campaigning to the young (and sometimes the very young) to make life changing theological decisions. They are appealing to people that may not know better and are trying to get them to make what they (even) tout as an irreversible decision. The Jesus Camp thread over and over disparaged the manipulation of the young. And that's the comparison I'm making.

phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 01:29 pm

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It's funny to hear people who have been taken in by propaganda shake their fist at people who are trying to break them of that propaganda.

"What do you mean the Jews didn't burn the reichstagg. Of course they did because Hitler and his people said so. This is just propaganda..."

"Break"? You mean with MORE propaganda? Everyone believes something. Everyone can be accused of accepting the line of some form of propaganda. You have not a leg to stand on here.

And your quote is entirely inappropriate. Let's keep it civil.

phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 01:30 pm

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Ridiculous. Provable evidence can be scientifically verified by anyone (assuming the proper knowledge & equiptment). It has nothing to do with "who we ask".

That never happened.

Evidence, yes. Your pet set of conclusions, inferences and assumptions...not quite.

phoenix_fire · Mar 25, 2007, 01:35 pm

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wtf?

Are you serious? This is satire, right? I hope?

Religion KILLS. Religion is anti-progressive to society. Religion is INTOLERANT.

If your going to be having events, books written, movies made, and wars driven by YOUR freaking beliefs, have the HUMAN decency to let OUR beliefs be expressed in a little video.

Lull, do attempt not to derail the thread.

And the point is not the expression of beliefs. Even if I cared about atheists expressing their beliefs (which I really, really don't), there wouldn't be much that I could do about it. But this goes beyond the simple expression of beliefs. It is something that in the worst could be destroying the spiritual lives of children and in the very mildest light is at least extremely tacky.

One doesn't have to do something like this in order to express a disbelief in God.

Mar 25, 2007, 12:05 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	The Blasphemy Challenge I dunno if anyone's heard about this yet: The Blasphemy Challenge The gist is that these anti-theists are out there bribing the young and gullible with an anti-theist propaganda movie in order to get them to willingly damn themselves by blaspheming the Holy Spirit. So. What do you think, Volconvo? Will those who so vehemently spoke out against the atrocities of Jesus Camp (incidentally, I felt the same), be so quick to condemn the same tactics when anti-theists are doing it? Is the idea of being bribed with paradise even nearly as insidious as the idea of being bribed with a propaganda flick? Is not such a proclamation, in fact, not only playing by Christian rules, but a statement of faith in and of itself? What is to be gained by the anti-theists by doing stuff like this? Let the hypocrisy begin. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Mar 25, 2007, 12:42 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
jascowhiz0 Looking for the exit Posts: 111	I think its funny, damning people to hell for a video. Money can buy what you don't have.

Mar 25, 2007, 12:50 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
So we're told, Not with subtitles. Location: Texas, for now. Posts: 47	HAHAHHA! isn't it funny that even people who don't believe in God, write books about him? make sites about him? VIDEOS about him? LOL. I find it hilarious. I mean really ... who're they trying to convince that theres no God? Others .. or themselves? The boys you left, are men you didn't raise.

Mar 25, 2007, 01:26 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
phoenix_fire Paladin Location: Narnia Posts: 4,277	Well, Zink, at least YOU are on topic. I wasn't really referring to the political element. I was talking about campaigning to the young (and sometimes the very young) to make life changing theological decisions. They are appealing to people that may not know better and are trying to get them to make what they (even) tout as an irreversible decision. The Jesus Camp thread over and over disparaged the manipulation of the young. And that's the comparison I'm making. Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6

Mar 25, 2007, 10:42 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Zinkovich Absolutely Superb Posts: 778	This is not comparable to Jesus Camp in any way whatsoever. In Jesus Camp, we saw an example of a group of people being indoctrinated into thier belief by emotional indoctrination and communal acceptance. Here, we see an example of people merely stating they came about to the same ideas, albeit in a tactless manner. We don't see any political motivations, any concrete attempts to form an anti-Christian lobby because this is "One nation without God", we don't see any of them preaching atheism on the streets, or trying to introduce atheism into church discussions because priests need to "teach the debate"... Most of all, we do not see attempts from atheists to hold all of the political power our nation possesses, nor to take legal action against Christians as individuals in terms of rights and legal status. From the religious right, a surprising majority has expressed such an opinion in surveys and studies held in the last 40 years. This makes them more of a potentially harmful group to our democracy than the atheists will ever be. So, give me a break. I'd rather speak out against those that want to threaten my owns rights than someone who merely posted an angry video on the internet and made some random Christians on the internet yell "hypocrasy!" There really isn't a :rolleyes: big enough for this topic. Sorry, but the comparison really is laughable on many, many levels.