Which is more dominant: Chaos or Order?

[shunyadragon]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger Given the current state of knowledge of physics, yes. I'll accept that completely. Since Electro-Magnetism is a stronger force than gravitation, there is a strong argument that this will tend to the trend of entropy we see within the universe. Mr. Dragon, however, would tend to a philosophical argument that order is inherent in the universe and, there is something we don't understand that forces order upon the universe, wherever he looks. Keith Before anyone accuses me of speaking for Mr. Dragon, please note that this is simply my interpretation of what I have read of his positions. I, in no way, am claiming to know the details of what goes on in his mind and I'm certain his future postings will further clarify his position.

I do not consider my argument as a philisophical argument. Order is not forced upon the universe. I believe entropy is balenced by forces like those of constantly merging black holes that may form one huge black hole and a singularity to form again and universes are reborn. In cosmology entropy is not necessarily the end of the universe. The following from Wikipedia indicates that the questions are not so easily answered. This becomes more problematic if the universe is not a closed system.

[cite=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy]Entropy and cosmology

Main article: Black hole thermodynamics
We have previously mentioned that a finite universe may be considered an isolated system. As such, it may be subject to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, so that its total entropy is constantly increasing. It has been speculated that the universe is fated to a heat death in which all the energy ends up as a homogeneous distribution of thermal energy, so that no more work can be extracted from any source.

If the universe can be considered to have generally increasing entropy, then - as Roger Penrose has pointed out - gravity plays an important role in the increase because gravity causes dispersed matter to accumulate into stars, which collapse eventually into black holes. Jacob Bekenstein and Stephen Hawking have shown that black holes have the maximum possible entropy of any object of equal size. This makes them likely end points of all entropy-increasing processes, if they are totally effective matter and energy traps. Hawking has, however, recently changed his stance on this aspect.

The role of entropy in cosmology remains a controversial subject. Recent work has cast extensive doubt on the heat death hypothesis and the applicability of any simple thermodynamic model to the universe in general. Although entropy does increase in the model of an expanding universe, the maximum possible entropy rises much more rapidly and leads to an "entropy gap", thus pushing the system further away from equilibrium with each time increment. Other complicating factors, such as the energy density of the vacuum and macroscopic quantum effects, are difficult to reconcile with thermodynamical models, making any predictions of large-scale thermodynamics extremely difficult. [/cite]