Mathematican dont even know what numbers are they dont know what they talking about

[pam699]

Mathematicians not know what numbers are. Mathematicians not know if they are real imaginary or if they exist it does not even know if irrational numbers exist are real or exist along a line. Without knowing what numbers are mathematicians dont know what they are talking about Numbers could be disembodied spirits for all they know Or we are all just living in a matrix where what we think we are doing with numbers is just an illusion. With out knowing what numbers are mathematicians are no better than the witch doctor who made the rains come by dancing both have no real clue about what they are doing
WHAT DO YOU THINK of mr deans claims
you can read about all this in these free books

The absurdities in psychoanalysis and science that make psychoanalysis a science : reasons sociology, epistemology, ontology and metaphysics why psychoanalysis is a science; meaninglessness http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...d_in_psych.pdf


The irrational and illogical nature of science and psychoanalysis: the demarcation of science and non-science is a pseudo problem; Freud invalidates and transcends the epistemology and enlightenments notions of science: science looses [sic] its position as a privileged and special method of truth
http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com..._PSYCHOANA.pdf

[Compugasm]

THE POWERS-THAT-BE DO NOT WANT THIS INFORMATION OUT. It would be the end of their PETROLEUM MONOPOLY and their ability to sell oil and fossil fuels to this country as well as all the YET-TO-BE-DEVELOPED third world countries.

The Illuminati would like you to believe that flying saucers come from ALIENS and that the Government is involved in covering this up. The Illuminati would like you to believe that Roswell actually happened. The belief in Aliens is the beginning of the formation of a NEW ONE-WORLD RELIGION where the dictates of God from the days of old are replaced by the will of Alien cultures communicating through various "Channeled" sources.

Do you believe aliens first brought us flying saucer technology in 1947 when they supposedly crashed at Roswell N.M.? The TRUTH is that Nikola Tesla first developed the "Flying Saucer" around 1910. Tesla was responsible for many ingenious inventions including Alternating Current, Laser Beams, Particle Beams, Radio, Television, flourescent and neon lighting, Robotics, artificial intelligence and helicopters.

Have you ever dreamed of owning you're own flying saucer? Would you like to fly from here to Europe for FREE, in a half an hour, WITHOUT TRAFFIC? If you are like most people, (which you probably aren't considering you are here), you probably think your children might see this technology some day or maybe your grandchildren, well let me tell you right now, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE NOW & IS BEING KEPT FROM YOU!

There is plenty of evidence of flying saucers since the 1940's HOWEVER, THERE IS NOT ONE SOLID THREAD OF EVIDENCE OF ALIENS ON THIS PLANET! (Except in our Government 'A.K.A - Unregistered Foreign Agents')

I studied the Existance of Aliens on this planet for about 7 years, beginning with Bill Cooper's Book "Behold A Pale Horse". I found out about Cooper several months before the book came out. I bought it right away and starting learning about the supposed "Greys" and Reptilians Etc. I have not totally dismissed this information, however, about 3 or 4 years ago, I read one of the most fascinating books I have ever read titled "Space Aliens From the Pentagon" by William Lyne. This book turned around my entire perspective. I do not think like I used to about this issue. I am not saying Bill Cooper's information is wrong, but possibly off by a few marks. (In particular relating to ET's)

The CIA, NSA and other British Connected Intelligence Agencies are spending millions of dollars to Propagandize the public to death regarding this issue. This is what you would call "MIND CONTROL AT IT'S FINEST" So, while we all have to drive around stuck in traffic and smog, paying $$$$$ out the Kazoo for gas and oil, the Secret Fraternity of Freemasons at the highest levels can fly around the planet for FREE on free-energy.

Meanwhile, the dangerous elements of Tesla's technology are currently being employed by the Military against US and other countries. This is the height of NEW WORLD ORDER ATROCITIES. : Microwave Melt (Sound Wave) weapons, Laser Beams Blindness Weapons, Earthquake Manufacturing, Weather Control (For crop freezes and food eradication), HAARP and much more.

At this Rate, the future children of the world might see the saucer technology in another thousand years, if they aren't slaves working on another planet for the Freemasons.

[rez]

Quote by: pam699 Mathematicians not know what numbers are. Mathematicians not know if they are real imaginary or if they exist it does not even know if irrational numbers exist are real or exist along a line. Without knowing what numbers are mathematicians dont know what they are talking about Numbers could be disembodied spirits for all they know Or we are all just living in a matrix where what we think we are doing with numbers is just an illusion. With out knowing what numbers are mathematicians are no better than the witch doctor who made the rains come by dancing both have no real clue about what they are doing WHAT DO YOU THINK of mr deans claims you can read about all this in these free books The absurdities in psychoanalysis and science that make psychoanalysis a science : reasons sociology, epistemology, ontology and metaphysics why psychoanalysis is a science; meaninglessness http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...d_in_psych.pdf The irrational and illogical nature of science and psychoanalysis: the demarcation of science and non-science is a pseudo problem; Freud invalidates and transcends the epistemology and enlightenments notions of science: science looses [sic] its position as a privileged and special method of truth http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com..._PSYCHOANA.pdf

First off, if you are going to post 10 topics within two days then you need to learn proper grammar. All of your topics generally have a similar basis; therefore, there is no need for so many different threads. If you were actually willing to critically think about the issues behind these subjects you would be willing to debate your ideas in one thread.

[Athena]

I may be just ignorant of the finer points, but I think we are as sure numbers exist as we are sure words exist.

Math is about so much more than numbers, and the numbers can have some awesome meanings other than quanity. If the subject interest you, read "A Beginners Guide to Constructing the Universe". So much of our critical thinking is bases on math. This includes philosophy and concepts of perfection that played into an understanding of heaven.

Math is an important tool that can do much more than speak of the number of objects you have. You seem to enjoy searching for challenging ideas. Perhaps you can google math as a tool and learn more about what can be done with math.

I suspect your real question is, why should we learn anything when what we teach is really meaningless? Smile, it is kind of a leap of faith, that the effort of learning will pay off. But you might want to begin with what really interest you, rather than what a school dictates you must learn. You have an active mind, and when you discover what really excites it, you will want to feed it that information. I believe this, because you have put so much effort into arguing it is pointless to learn anything. Willingness to put so much effort into something will pay off when you find an area of learning that serves you well. Lexicology might intesert you.

[pam699]

but do irrational numbers exist -point on a line where an irrational number is

[Athena]

Quote by: Compugasm THE POWERS-THAT-BE DO NOT WANT THIS INFORMATION OUT. It would be the end of their PETROLEUM MONOPOLY and their ability to sell oil and fossil fuels to this country as well as all the YET-TO-BE-DEVELOPED third world countries. The Illuminati would like you to believe that flying saucers come from ALIENS and that the Government is involved in covering this up. The Illuminati would like you to believe that Roswell actually happened. The belief in Aliens is the beginning of the formation of a NEW ONE-WORLD RELIGION where the dictates of God from the days of old are replaced by the will of Alien cultures communicating through various "Channeled" sources. Do you believe aliens first brought us flying saucer technology in 1947 when they supposedly crashed at Roswell N.M.? The TRUTH is that Nikola Tesla first developed the "Flying Saucer" around 1910. Tesla was responsible for many ingenious inventions including Alternating Current, Laser Beams, Particle Beams, Radio, Television, flourescent and neon lighting, Robotics, artificial intelligence and helicopters. Have you ever dreamed of owning you're own flying saucer? Would you like to fly from here to Europe for FREE, in a half an hour, WITHOUT TRAFFIC? If you are like most people, (which you probably aren't considering you are here), you probably think your children might see this technology some day or maybe your grandchildren, well let me tell you right now, THIS TECHNOLOGY IS AVAILABLE NOW & IS BEING KEPT FROM YOU! There is plenty of evidence of flying saucers since the 1940's HOWEVER, THERE IS NOT ONE SOLID THREAD OF EVIDENCE OF ALIENS ON THIS PLANET! (Except in our Government 'A.K.A - Unregistered Foreign Agents') I studied the Existance of Aliens on this planet for about 7 years, beginning with Bill Cooper's Book "Behold A Pale Horse". I found out about Cooper several months before the book came out. I bought it right away and starting learning about the supposed "Greys" and Reptilians Etc. I have not totally dismissed this information, however, about 3 or 4 years ago, I read one of the most fascinating books I have ever read titled "Space Aliens From the Pentagon" by William Lyne. This book turned around my entire perspective. I do not think like I used to about this issue. I am not saying Bill Cooper's information is wrong, but possibly off by a few marks. (In particular relating to ET's) The CIA, NSA and other British Connected Intelligence Agencies are spending millions of dollars to Propagandize the public to death regarding this issue. This is what you would call "MIND CONTROL AT IT'S FINEST" So, while we all have to drive around stuck in traffic and smog, paying $$$$$ out the Kazoo for gas and oil, the Secret Fraternity of Freemasons at the highest levels can fly around the planet for FREE on free-energy. Meanwhile, the dangerous elements of Tesla's technology are currently being employed by the Military against US and other countries. This is the height of NEW WORLD ORDER ATROCITIES. : Microwave Melt (Sound Wave) weapons, Laser Beams Blindness Weapons, Earthquake Manufacturing, Weather Control (For crop freezes and food eradication), HAARP and much more. At this Rate, the future children of the world might see the saucer technology in another thousand years, if they aren't slaves working on another planet for the Freemasons.

Interesting, but how does it relate to the value of math?

Your concerns could be interesting in discussions about democracy. Why have government of the people, for the people, by the people, except to avoid the tyranny that seems to concern you? Why have education if not to avoid such a terrible tyranny?

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Pam point on a line where an irrational number is

Euler's number:

0_________1_________2_____~e__3_________4

Did you mean a complex number?

[Athena]

Quote by: pam699 but do irrational numbers exist -point on a line where an irrational number is

:) Perhaps if we could convince irrational numbers to seek counseling, they would become rational? Calling a number irrational does seem pretty Pythagorian. I forget. Are these numbers also evil or ugly? These considerations seem pretty human to me. A projection of ourselves into something that isn't human. Like projecting human qualities into a God, angels and demons, or a tree or lemon. Perhaps everything is a projection of ourselves? Including ghost, witches, and aliens.

[pam699]

yes the greeks got around irrational numbers by saying they where not numbers in the first place but then us moiderns have defined them to be once again numbers
but on another metaphysical fiction show me a mathematical point a mathematicl point is non-demensional so does not exist -so point to a mathematical point for me
also

calculus sums all these non-existent points along a line to give me it length

and some say religion is crap because it believes in a god which cant be seen

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Pam and some say religion is crap because it believes in a god which cant be seen

Numbers are not believed by mathematicians to be a metaphysical concept; they are simply a means of representing quantity or direction and of systematically working with a quantity or direction. Similar to words being used to represent the world around us.

What is your particular objection to this?

[pam699]

they cant us wat numbers are so they just dont know wat they are talking about

[The Bacon Guy]

By that same logic, you have no idea what you're talking about, since the words you use are not all analogous with something physical. Something doesn't have to be a physical concept in order for it to be understood and utilized.

[pam699]

i agree whole heartly -just read my other posts- without knowing wat numbers are mathamtician have no clue about wat they do or how wat they do works -so why belive in science why not believe in the boogy man instead

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Pam i agree whole heartly -just read my other posts- without knowing wat numbers are mathamtician have no clue about wat they do or how wat they do works

Nonsense. Mathematicians make the rules of maths and must therefore know how they work. Numbers are nothing more than man-made concepts used to represent the quantitative world. Since conceptual thought is not limited to physical reality, numbers need not be either, provided the rules of this conceptual world are well defined.

A complex number is not analogous with physical reality; it is simply a tool used to work with other physical quantities. Mathematicians are well aware of this, and they know exactly what they're doing with this abstract concept, since they are the ones who dreamed up the concept in the first place.

Quote by: Pam -so why belive in science why not believe in the boogy man instead

Because most science is not number based, and in the case of that which is, the numbers used correspond to physical quantities or directions.

[pam699]

so wat direction and quanity does an irratiional number correspond to

[Jack]

so wat direction and quanity does an irratiional number correspond to

I suspect this topic makes no sense to you because you don't understand your own questions. What are you trying to ask in this question?

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Pam so wat direction and quanity does an irratiional number correspond to

Irrational numbers? Well, it depends on the number. Pi for example corresponds to the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. Irrational numbers are quantitative numbers (see my first post).

I suspect you meant complex numbers. Complex numbers do not correspond to a particular quantity or direction; they are not used in that manner. They are used as tools for working with non-complex numbers; numbers which do correspond to a physical quantity. Therein lies the value of complex numbers.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Athena Interesting, but how does it relate to the value of math?

Aside from mentioning Nicola Tesla... nothing. I wasn't seriously responding to the lunitic ramblings of the OP. For example:

Quote by: pam699 they cant us wat numbers are so they just dont know wat they are talking about

I bet this thread about numbers, will be the unfunny version of the "soved at all cost" thread.

[nm420]

Numbers, in the mathematician's world, are just sets. We infer they exist because we can define them using deductive, axiomatic logic. We don't know that sets exist, which is why we supply axioms asserting their existence, yet the axioms used are so universally intuitive to the human mind that practically no one disputes them.

To be sure, numbers are intellectual constructs in the formal sense, and so their "existence" is moot. When scientists use numbers, they are imposing a theoretical construct on the natural world, and this is something that is always subject to debate. However, the sheer fact that newborns and even other animal species are capable of distinguishing between "one" or "two" or "three" objects certainly gives a lot of credibility to the notion that "numbers" exist in whatever realm it is that numbers could exist. What that realm happens to be is not the subject of mathematics, but rather metaphysics or "metamathematics" if you like. Numbers are no more "real" than is the law of gravity or genes on a chromosome; they are all concepts that humans use to describe events in the "real" world, like a rock falling to the earth or waves in a pond. But to suppose we know nothing of these concepts, or that all our knowledge of them rests solely on faith, doesn't take into account that the predictions about the "real" world we make based on their "existence" generally are correct. That our models work rather well for what they are designed does not prove the existence of the mental constructs used to build them, but then it's not even clear what it means for such a thing to "exist" in the first place. If we do grant the property of "existence" to mental constructs, however, there can be little doubt that numbers do not exist as we have devised all sorts of clever ways of constructing them from base assumptions.

[another day]

Enough with these idiotic threads. You make no sense.

Seriously, can an admin step in? She's ruining the forum. Most of these threads have nothing to do with philosophy or religion.