feminisim and queer theory are a form of mind control

[pam699]

What do you think of the idea that feminisim and queer theory are a theories of propganda and mind control and self image creation. That they are no more than ideologies trying to manufacture identites based upon insights from mysticism A book that show that this is so is called

Prologomenon to the study of the mystical elements in ..... femimisim and queer theory http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...ry/prolog2.pdf

what do you think

[Zinkovich]

I very much doubt that the progenitors of feminist theory were interested in anything other than being treated the same as men in modern society.

For one, there is no form of brainwashing I see prevalent amongst the premises on which pure feminism is based. The premise that "men and women do not have enough cognitive differences to be differentiated in status in modern societies" does not seem to have any elements of, let's say, the sort of philosophies that usually brainwash people such as Scientology and many other societal constructs that have a pyramidical power-structure.

After all, there is no lowering of status. If anything, classical feminist theory(as in the sort that was forumlated in the early stages of the women right's movement)'s goal seems to be not to bring women up above men, but at the same level.

[RickSp]

I am sorry to be so easily distracted but I have to laugh out loud at the title of this thesis alone.

"A Prolegomenon to the Study of the Mystical Elements in the Anti-Essentialism in Post-Structuralism, postmodernism, Feminism and Queer Theory."

I understand that this sort of offense against the English language is expected in many halls of higher education. Nevertheless, I can't help but be reminded on the line from Nietzsche - "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep."

[Zinkovich]

If a layman saw such a title on the bookshelf, they'd probably assume it's a demon-summoning manual rather than just a lame semantical form of mud-slinging towards a certain group of people who just want equality and justice for thier own gender instead of discrimination.

I mean, "Prolegomenon"? Sounds like the name of the First General of hell if you ask me.

Also, I love the term "queer theory". Are certain people going to say true queers don't exist because queerism is "just a theory" in courts now?

[pam699]

but have you read the book it look like you have not the book is simple and to the point and show how feminism and queer theor in its use of post structualim theory infact hides mystical elements which ineffect are put to the use of ideology and brainweashing and ego construction HAVE A READ PLEASE BEFORE COMMENTING in a negative way and what is so of putuing in a philosophical debeat with the title what about such titlews as philosopical tractartus or critrigue of pratical reason etc or thus spake zarthustra-talk about demons from hell titles

[Duke1985]

Your right, the first thing I thought was, "YES, I can finally summon forth the great Cthulu!"
Then I read it and was disappointed.

[pam699]

so why where you dissapointed what dissapointed you the argument was too good and you ended up dissapoinyted at how they use mind control

[Zinkovich]

Modern theory takes this idea of Saussure and extends it by coupling it with the idea that because we can only know the world through language then and language does not reflect the world but constructs it

This is a rather ridiculous equivalence, in my mind. Language does not precede the world, nor makes it, it defines it's multiple differentiations in function. A chair, like it or not, no matter WHAT language you use, can be sat on comfortably while a 10 foot tall spike on which you've been thrown from 50 onto feet cannot.

The rest says that feminism does not promote selflessness- no shit? It promotes worth of the self, something buddhism's serenity and disguised nihilism does not offer disadvantaged females.

[Duke1985]

Quote by: pam699 so why where you dissapointed what dissapointed you the argument was too good and you ended up dissapoinyted at how they use mind control

Okay you caught me, I didn't really read it. When I found out it wasn't about demon summoning I put it right down.

[pam699]

but what about the idea that feminisim uses the mystical ideas to construct an artifical ego

[fushigi]

Quote by: Zinkovich This is a rather ridiculous equivalence, in my mind. Language does not precede the world, nor makes it, it defines it's multiple differentiations in function. A chair, like it or not, no matter WHAT language you use, can be sat on comfortably while a 10 foot tall spike on which you've been thrown from 50 onto feet cannot.

This is one of the funnies frigging sentences I've ever read.

[pam699]

hey a cup in usa might be called a mug in germany-language defines the object in reality there is no object without language to give it signifcation a cat to you is a pet in somme countries the same object is a pest and food same object different significations

[fushigi]

Quote by: pam699 hey a cup in usa might be called a mug in germany-language defines the object in reality there is no object without language to give it signifcation a cat to you is a pet in somme countries the same object is a pest and food same object different significations

Matter existed before we had a word for it; if it hadn't, we would have never come into existence.

[pam699]

but it take languge for humans to give matter signification without language mater is just chaos

[Athena]

Quote by: pam699 What do you think of the idea that feminisim and queer theory are a theories of propganda and mind control and self image creation. That they are no more than ideologies trying to manufacture identites based upon insights from mysticism A book that show that this is so is called Prologomenon to the study of the mystical elements in ..... femimisim and queer theory http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...ry/prolog2.pdf what do you think

This is only a personal opinion, but I think female dominate cultures were replaced by male dominate cultures from regions with harsh envioronments where cultures evolved differently. That is a harsh environments favored aggressive males, and gentle environments favored cultures with more passive males and more dominate females.

Those in the seats of power will be the ones who get to define reality, so once the agrressive males came to power, of course they created a concept of reality that favored their ego's making their male dominence the most desirable social characteristic, and justifying subjecting females and others (including slaves or low wage workers) to their domination. There is a whole lot wrong with this value system. Iraq is the most recent example of what is wrong with this value system.

The Christian bible most definitely favors aggressive male dominate cultures. The story of Able and Cain tells us God favors the hunters who provide animal sacrifices to farmers who give the fruits and vegetables of their labor. It goes on to tell us the people of God are doing God's will when they extreminate others and take their land. The rightness of this has been carried on by Christians and Muslims.

Of course feminine, weak and neurotic, must mean inferior according to this value system, making it okay to exploit women and others. Men who are effeminate have the status of women. Manly is proven by fathering male children. Sterilization makes a man less of a man. These are perfectively rational concepts. :rolleyes:

[Athena]

Quote by: pam699 but what about the idea that feminisim uses the mystical ideas to construct an artifical ego

I am not sure what you meaning? However, women tend to be more intuitive than males, and this is associated with spirituality. There is truth behind the women are from Venus and men are from Mars theory. However, social pressures can influence the development of our natural tendencies and shut down our natural abilities.

When we value heighten sensitivity, women and homosexual males can hold a very high status, as people who have special powers. When this is culturally valued, males and females will develop along this line. When it is scorned both males and females will repress their sensitivity, and it will attrophy, resulting in people being insensitive. Women's liberation in the US made it taboo to feminine, resulting in a culture that has lost compassion, and is more prone to war. And oh yes, I do think this is mind control of the most evil kind.

[pam699]

when reality is constructed through lanague then those who control language contro the nature of reality When our identites are constructed through languahge then those who control langauge control our idetities feminism etc try and contruct new identies by useing language and uimages -mind control ideology propganda and identite engineering

[Jack]

when reality is constructed through lanague then those who control language contro the nature of realit

Reality is reflected by our language. Language does not construct reality. If that were so, I could suggest that a gaphrump exists, and bingo, it would.

No one controls the language. Especially in America, our version of English is rich and dynamic. Look at all the new words being added to the lexicon every year.

[pam699]

hey no one controls language in the usa rubbish i see bush says defines what a civil war in irag is i see he defines democrarcy i see he defines torture i see he he creates a new thing -through language ie "illegal combatants" he is and thus contructing and controling reality- reality is in the hands of bush and his linguistic pragmatisits

plus americans are running around the world telling the rest of the world to fit into their definition ie language contruct of the way thing are


also ask any feminist about male contructed langauge world in regard to what women are meant to be

[Zinkovich]

Quote by: pam699 hey no one controls language in the usa rubbish i see bush says there is no civil war ion irag i see he defines democrarcy i see he defines torture and thus realioy is in the hands of bush and his linguistic pragmatisits

Humanity does not have as short of a memory as you think. If he tried to redefine torture and met even a degree of success, someone will no doubt rise up to the task making sure that what real torture is will not be forgotten in some way or another. Cultural history shows us that you can't kill off a philosophy too easily- especially not by just twisting some words.