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Technosoul · Mar 6, 2007, 01:42 am

This is from a news story but not sure where to post it because of the phychology factors surrounding it, So what is your "philosophy" about these events.

The numbers (stats) for police officers taking their own life has shot up during the past couple of years. When the departments found out that a few hundred policemen committed suicide during the past year they became alarmed and now want to train supervisors how to look for "signs" so that intervention can be employed. Why is this happening we ask, and the experts claim it is due to "all the stress".

Now this reminds me that the military has the same problem, and they are also doing activites simular to a policeman, using aggressive force to sudue insurgants and criminals.

Any comments?

Chaossaber314 · Mar 6, 2007, 01:54 am

I had to read a case study of the LAPD a few years ago and the stages that cops went through were pretty intriguing. I think it was the third stage at some where between 6-10 years on the job that they start getting jaded and were the most likely to quit or in the worst cases take their own lives.

It's not about using aggressive force though. It's about attempting to do a job and not seeing it make any difference.

Praxius · Mar 6, 2007, 01:46 pm

Indeed.... being not paid alot, getting very little respect from the community, lack of trust from the community and high risk to their health and life, I can easily see this as being true in the US.

Usually if one cop is killed or even commited suicide here in Canada, everybody hears about it. If a soldier falls in the line of duty, the whole country is informed. We hear their names, their family, where they lived, basically a biography on their carrer here in Candada (Depending on the situation)

Overall, there is a lot of respect for those who keep our country safe, perhaps there is a difference in how they are recieved by the community there in the US.

Osborn F Enready · Mar 6, 2007, 02:15 pm

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Techno said:
This is from a news story but not sure where to post it because of the phychology factors surrounding it, So what is your "philosophy" about these events.

The numbers (stats) for police officers taking their own life has shot up during the past couple of years. When the departments found out that a few hundred policemen committed suicide during the past year they became alarmed and now want to train supervisors how to look for "signs" so that intervention can be employed. Why is this happening we ask, and the experts claim it is due to "all the stress".

Now this reminds me that the military has the same problem, and they are also doing activites simular to a policeman, using aggressive force to sudue insurgants and criminals.

Any comments?

I think the problem is clear, and that the problem is the lines which define right and wrong, legal and illegal, moral and immoral being clouded with hypocritical governement, laws and justice system. A constant nagging question of complicity for that which they despise, as rights and innocence protectors.

We put far too much stress on law officers, by passing laws that law officers have trouble enforcing due to conscience, and moral guidance based on their individual beliefs.

We are asking law enforcement, and government, to step too far in past the reasonable bounds of government and law into family and individual choices and rights, which casues an internal moral/ideological dilemma, which is often perceived and characterized as "treasonous" amongst those who reside above them in the chain of legal authority.

Much like the combat soldier suicides going up in this war, so has our LEO rates with increases in enforcing the laws related to the Drug War, and ever increasing "no-knock warrants" that place LEO's directly and literally in the firing line between private citizens, and bad law creation that negates the basic individual rights our system is founded on.

We are witnessing the socialist agenda perverting the meaning of law, democracy taking hold over individual rights, meant to be unalienable by law.

Americas time to wake up and understand the value of their liberty before losing it, is dwindling. Once that happens, history has shown the fight to get it back once removed is much harder than the fight that must take place to preserve it, once established.........

Its time to ask where our guidance has gone, individually, and make a choice to do that which is within our power to preserve and protect that individual liberty while it is still within our means to save.

That's my opinion.

The law has lost respect in the eyes of the majority, due to hypocritical stances taken in adopted law as compared to the Constitution, which is "The Law of the Land".

Those being asked to enforce it both domesticly, and internationally, are having major problems dealing with that pressure, or even deciding if they "are doing the right thing".

Technosoul · Mar 7, 2007, 01:43 am

The article about the suicidal cops had to do with the Highway Patrol, I do not know if that covered other crime fighting departments as well. The Highway partrol mainly writes tickets and they cover roads and highways belonging to the state, and state beaches or parks. I should have noted that in my O.P. They did not say that they even did a study to find out if those same cops were having problems at home or not, such as a breakup in their marrage, or something other then it being job-related. It comes about when a person thinks, "My life is pointless, why go on this way". In short, some expectation was not attained and they are getting nothing back for the energy put out, at least as they view it. It could simply be that their supervisors are getting on their case for making errors when they feel they should be getting praised for their efforts instead. Who knows what lurks in the minds of men?

Although Osborn made a good case for his opinon I personally do not think that socialism is the root of all evil. But we could compare the police in a dictatorship with the police in a socialistic country (like Cuba) to find out if their is a difference in the suicide rates. But that would take some grant money if it is okay with you taxpayers?

Well, that is my personal "armchair phychology" of the situation - but I do not have a degree so my efforts are pointless because no one would respect them without a degree or if I never wrote a book. But don't worry I have too many other aspects in my life that make me happy and so I will not be jumping off a bridge.

Mar 6, 2007, 01:42 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,665	suicide cops This is from a news story but not sure where to post it because of the phychology factors surrounding it, So what is your "philosophy" about these events. The numbers (stats) for police officers taking their own life has shot up during the past couple of years. When the departments found out that a few hundred policemen committed suicide during the past year they became alarmed and now want to train supervisors how to look for "signs" so that intervention can be employed. Why is this happening we ask, and the experts claim it is due to "all the stress". Now this reminds me that the military has the same problem, and they are also doing activites simular to a policeman, using aggressive force to sudue insurgants and criminals. Any comments?

Mar 6, 2007, 01:54 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,276	I had to read a case study of the LAPD a few years ago and the stages that cops went through were pretty intriguing. I think it was the third stage at some where between 6-10 years on the job that they start getting jaded and were the most likely to quit or in the worst cases take their own lives. It's not about using aggressive force though. It's about attempting to do a job and not seeing it make any difference. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

Mar 6, 2007, 01:46 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,723	Indeed.... being not paid alot, getting very little respect from the community, lack of trust from the community and high risk to their health and life, I can easily see this as being true in the US. Usually if one cop is killed or even commited suicide here in Canada, everybody hears about it. If a soldier falls in the line of duty, the whole country is informed. We hear their names, their family, where they lived, basically a biography on their carrer here in Candada (Depending on the situation) Overall, there is a lot of respect for those who keep our country safe, perhaps there is a difference in how they are recieved by the community there in the US.

Mar 7, 2007, 01:43 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,665	The article about the suicidal cops had to do with the Highway Patrol, I do not know if that covered other crime fighting departments as well. The Highway partrol mainly writes tickets and they cover roads and highways belonging to the state, and state beaches or parks. I should have noted that in my O.P. They did not say that they even did a study to find out if those same cops were having problems at home or not, such as a breakup in their marrage, or something other then it being job-related. It comes about when a person thinks, "My life is pointless, why go on this way". In short, some expectation was not attained and they are getting nothing back for the energy put out, at least as they view it. It could simply be that their supervisors are getting on their case for making errors when they feel they should be getting praised for their efforts instead. Who knows what lurks in the minds of men? Although Osborn made a good case for his opinon I personally do not think that socialism is the root of all evil. But we could compare the police in a dictatorship with the police in a socialistic country (like Cuba) to find out if their is a difference in the suicide rates. But that would take some grant money if it is okay with you taxpayers? Well, that is my personal "armchair phychology" of the situation - but I do not have a degree so my efforts are pointless because no one would respect them without a degree or if I never wrote a book. But don't worry I have too many other aspects in my life that make me happy and so I will not be jumping off a bridge.