The existence of 'sluts'

[syc-sadist]

just wondering how people view this.

is it fair to call a girl with a healthy appetite for sex a slut....or is is pure-ly a critisism we use that isn't necissarily true but is demeaning.

i believe it is based on more a more traditional sense of how women should behave...less sexual..more conservative.

i'd like the word to not be applied to women who have sex with lots of men.
as it seems to me as though both genders have a equal level sex-drive.
but men's sex drives are more congratulated and women's more looked down on.

though times are changing from this traditional view...the word slut is still relatively common. and often used for people that have a standard sex-drive.

to me it buckles down to that men are 'allowed' to sleep around and women run the risk of being called sluts.

anyway just mostly curious about how people view this whole 'slut' thing and do they think it's a fair term...and if so what to you defines a slut


oh and creative name for male sluts lol :)

(i admit this is fairly roughly rambled of....)

[Keith Hamburger]

Quote by: syc-sadist just wondering how people view this. is it fair to call a girl with a healthy appetite for sex a slut....or is is pure-ly a critisism we use that isn't necissarily true but is demeaning.

I would consider it a term of endearment, and often appreciation and admiration.

But, whatever, if you want to take it as a bad thing, nothing much I can do about it.

Keith

[3spddrft]

Sluts are apparently everywhere and I have little against them. I just choose to define a number of women as sluts. This is not meant to be derogatory or disrespectful but instead to allow me to remember they do not hold the same values on sexual relations that I do. Many times I will only describe someone as a slut when I know their aditude towards sex. Not just how often they do it. There is a healthy appetite for sex, but it's also important to be safe about it and respectful to a persons body. One problem I've heard sexually active people have is the lack is intimacy. Since sex has become such a normal affair, it loses value and it becomes more difficult to discern closeness or if people want a person only for their body.

Later

[Osborn F Enready]

Slut is just another label, like any label, and is used and mis-used on a regular basis.

I think people have a right to choose to be sluts, if thats their choice, just like they have the right not to be.

I think the reaction to the label is the telling cue of a persons position, but you don't know if its the reaction to the dislike of the label, or dislike of what the label stands for.

A sure way to make sure a word/label you hate stays in use, react to it, and give the user sanction for using it by your reaction.

[Nono]

It's an old problem. Consider the difference in tone between "bachelor" and "spinster". Yet they both mean the same thing.

[Osborn F Enready]

Regardless of tone, its a word.

Free speech allows tones, words and phrases that insult.

We don't have a right NOT to be insulted, only not to be ASSUALTED.

[LogicaLunatic]

Very good point OFE.

Question though. Can one be assaulted with words? If so, where is the line drawn and by whom?

[Captain Chaos]

I have nothing against sluts, but I would not want my daughters to be one.

Thing is, I am not opposed to sex. If my kids wind up with strong sexual appetites, that will not necessarily bother me.

I just dont want people calling them sluts.

What I've always wondered is why there is such a difference in meaning between "bag lady" and "bag man." What do you call a political fund raiser whose a woman?

Regards
S.

[Epistemologist]

PAC (pretty action committee)

[Pockets]

What I've always wondered is why there is such a difference in meaning between "bag lady" and "bag man." What do you call a political fund raiser whose a woman? Regards S.

Employed. If employed by Hillary Clinton, girlfriend. If by Slick Willie Clinton, slut.

[Pockets]

Quote by: syc-sadist just wondering how people view this. is it fair to call a girl with a healthy appetite for sex a slut....or is is pure-ly a critisism we use that isn't necissarily true but is demeaning. i believe it is based on more a more traditional sense of how women should behave...less sexual..more conservative. i'd like the word to not be applied to women who have sex with lots of men. as it seems to me as though both genders have a equal level sex-drive. but men's sex drives are more congratulated and women's more looked down on. though times are changing from this traditional view...the word slut is still relatively common. and often used for people that have a standard sex-drive. to me it buckles down to that men are 'allowed' to sleep around and women run the risk of being called sluts. anyway just mostly curious about how people view this whole 'slut' thing and do they think it's a fair term...and if so what to you defines a slut oh and creative name for male sluts lol :) (i admit this is fairly roughly rambled of....)

'Slut' is a good term in that it's descriptive and makes the point. It is not always fair. I think that the reason for its' negative perception is perpetuated more by women than by men. When two men discuss a 'slutty' woman, they are almost speaking in adoration. They also know there may be some exaggeration involved. Have two women talk of a 'slut' and there is no adoration. It's pure disgust. Have a man and a woman in a discussion, it depends on who the slut is. If the subject slut is present, it is almost always bad. Unless the woman tells the man she feels like a slut because she slept with his other girlfriend. He is probably thrilled. The point is it depends on which sex is using the term. As you can see it is generally the female point of view that makes it negative. Is it fair, I don't know. It is rarely accurate, but always fun!

[sevendogs]

Yes, this is a vestige of Victorian era view of a woman. Both men and women are equal and majority of them like and need sex. Differences only in what we do to get it safe and in a satisfactory way. We have feminist movement, somewhat parallel and similar to animal rightists (those talk about exploitation of animals). They talk about exploitation of women by men. This is all bull shit. Just look in the Internet websites full of women of all ages eager to stimulate themselves by exposing their naked bodies and seeking for sex just like men do.

[syc-sadist]

very interesting all of what you said ^^


what are the opposing word for a male who likes lots of sex?
somethign that is 'sluts' equal...that can be used positive but pre-dominatly negative^^

as for the person who said...'nothing against sluts...but wouldnt want my daughter to be one...because other people would call them sluts'

i see what you mean. this reprasents why i don't really like how slut is applied...often by other women i agree. but men do get called other words but are rarely considered as 'bad' as the term slut for a girl.


I also agree about the whole the feminist movement saying men use women for sex...but women are willing....but i don't think that a healthy sexual appetite of women...and some womens views towards men using women...to mean that the whole feminist movement is crap....i think it has done the world of good in so many areas.


thank for all the replies :)

[sevendogs]

Quote by: syc-sadist very interesting all of what you said ^^ what are the opposing word for a male who likes lots of sex? somethign that is 'sluts' equal...that can be used positive but pre-dominatly negative^^ as for the person who said...'nothing against sluts...but wouldnt want my daughter to be one...because other people would call them sluts' i see what you mean. this reprasents why i don't really like how slut is applied...often by other women i agree. but men do get called other words but are rarely considered as 'bad' as the term slut for a girl. I also agree about the whole the feminist movement saying men use women for sex...but women are willing....but i don't think that a healthy sexual appetite of women...and some womens views towards men using women...to mean that the whole feminist movement is crap....i think it has done the world of good in so many areas. thank for all the replies :)

A number of years ago, I watched a TV talk show, interviewing a couple of lesbian women. They sounded very proud and even arrogant, blaming society for negative view of their life style. They both had daughters, but soon, it turned out that they would not like their daughters to grow up lesbians...

[Osborn F Enready]

Logical Lunatic said: Very good point OFE. Question though. Can one be assaulted with words? If so, where is the line drawn and by whom?

Legally, or naturally?

Surely one can use words as weapons, but their effects as weapons depends on the situation. Slander, and Lible laws are in place to allow people an avenue of legal challenge when cases of this arise, and justice is sought legally.

Slander is a spoken defamation. Defamation or "defamation of character," is spoken or written words that falsely and negatively reflect on a living person's reputation.

We all have a right to free speech, by nature.
We all have a right to defense of our lives and property.

The lines are drawn by the individual, and the law is used as a guideline to those citizens for when a case has legal standing.

People often choose to draw their own lines, and weather the effects if brought under legal challenge, and that is an option in a free society, with a jury of peers. Usually in our younger years, we are forced to deal with this through social interaction brought about by societal living, often in the form of public schooling where multiple children are exposed to different types of people, cultures and lifestyles via their first experiences to the public at large.
Many a schoolyard fight has been started by a "slander" of ones momma.

One person may use force against another, if they feel they are being verbally assaulted, but that is their choice, for which they will have to accept or resist the judgement of society, via law and enforcement in whatever form it may take.

My overall point, we as individuals define tolerance of free speech naturally, by our actions. We have the ability to tolerate, or not, to lash back, or not, to sue, or not. The individual in each case will be held accoutable, or not, depending on the situation and the other individuals (the offenders) action to reaction.

Most people draw their lines at factual validity, or covering up same.

[Pockets]

Quote by: sevendogs A number of years ago, I watched a TV talk show, interviewing a couple of lesbian women. They sounded very proud and even arrogant, blaming society for negative view of their life style. They both had daughters, but soon, it turned out that they would not like their daughters to grow up lesbians...

My stepfather is a nice man. He is honest, accepting, non-judgemental, not prejudiced in the least. He and I were walking through the grocery store one day and noticed a mixed race couple with a mixed race child. My stepfather told me he felt it was wrong for the couple to be together. I was shocked. When I asked him to explain he told me it was because of the potential for extreme hardshp that child faced. He felt their decision was made wirthout appreciating the impact on the child. I don't think the lesbians are being hyprocrites. They probably just feel it would be easier to be straight.

[Jern_Sandyer]

Quote by: syc-sadist anyway just mostly curious about how people view this whole 'slut' thing and oh and creative name for male sluts lol :)

If a man can get women easy enough but is more emotional in the ordeal he is called a lady's man. When a man goes out and gets a new girl at a club every night he is a man whore.

Quote by: LogicaLunatic Very good point OFE. Question though. Can one be assaulted with words? If so, where is the line drawn and by whom?

I think that the only time that your right to free speech is voided is when your responsibility to not incite racial hatred, threaten to use physical force to the extent of injury (bullying) and threaten to cause death in one or more people (from death threats to mass deaths) is in question. So basically when you threaten to remove the right of a person to life, protection of well being and ability to choose 'legal' pathways in life without persecution..

[tinybear]

'Slut"=Girl who sleeps with anyone.

"Bitch"=Girl who sleeps with anyone but you.

[syc-sadist]

lol... i liek that one tinybear :)

n anwhore....hmm i like that one ^^


i do liek 'slut' as a role-playing term...and if they are actually sluts lol as in sleeps with anyone, often, with little casre to much else.

i don't like slut as used in by men as sort of a 'power' as in most porn. working on the psycology of 'power-playing' such as porn titles like 'dirty lil slut whore gets etc etc etc etc or watch this bitch scream as we/i etc etc etc ...you get the picture. then it crosses the line into giving men the wrong idea about women...even if it is on the minu-test of psychological levels.