4 Questions

[Mr.Vicchio]

Question:

I am a teacher, I wear a crucifix on my necklace.

Allow Yes/No?
Why?

The voters of County X vote to hold a Christmas Pagent sponsored by the town of XX.
All funds are raised by bake sales and the proceeds go to the local orphange.

Alllow Yes/No?
Why?

Congress passess a law stating that the Epicaplian Religion is the offical US Religion.

Allow Yes/No?
Why?

The town of X allows the local Mosque to use city equipment to make the call to prayer.

Allow Yes/No?
Why?

[GreatWyrm of Babylon]

I am a teacher, I wear a crucifix on my necklace.
Yes
Why?
The government has not yet decided what we are allowed to wear, mostly.

The voters of County X vote to hold a Christmas Pagent sponsored by the town of XX.
All funds are raised by bake sales and the proceeds go to the local orphange.
Yes
Why?
Unless the voters were bought and paid for bu the gov.

Congress passess a law stating that the Epicaplian Religion is the offical US Religion.
No
Why?
Directly against the law.

The town of X allows the local Mosque to use city equipment to make the call to prayer.

Yes, if they rent it.

[Gorgo]

1) I don't know what the law is, but a crucifix is obviously a symbol of the Christian religion. A teacher in a public school is an employee of the state. Wearing religious symbols is a promotion of not only religion, but the Christian religion. In my mind (maybe nobody else's) this is a violation of the separation of church and state. If you've ever been employed, you know employers do tell you what you can wear, what you can bring to work and what you can say.

2) A town is not a church and cannot sponsor religious events.

3) That would be cool. We'd see how many politicians would become Episcopalian.

4) A town is not a church and is not in the business of promoting religion.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Gorgo,

you ever read the 1st amendment?

Do you know what it says?

Obviously not.

[Gorgo]

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people."

Adolf Hitler. April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933

[Gorgo]

What do you know about church/state separation?

http://ffrf.org/quiz.html

Originally posted by Mr.Vicchio, Gorgo, you ever read the 1st amendment? Do you know what it says? Obviously not.

The U.S. government is constitutionally forbidden (outlawed – can make no law for or against religion) any jurisdiction at all in religion and or the free exercise of religion.

All powers not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution may be obtained legally by an Amendment to the Constitution or obtained illegally by usurpation. It is citizen’s duty in citizenship to guard against (and correct) usurpation. Citizens have only three “powers” available to use to force government to obey the Law of the Constitution. Those “powers” are; the Ballot Box, the Jury Box, and the Cartridge Box.

The only political purpose of the Ballot Box is to elect a fellow citizen that will honor the oath of office to a public office. Constitutionally a candidate for public office cannot be elected for any other reason because when elected the candidate before entering the office must take the oath of office.

The Jury Box is for Jurors to protect fellow citizens from government abuse with legislation and dispense justice. Jurors have a Right of conscience to judge the facts of a court case, the constitutionality of the “legislation” (statute – law) of the case as well as the just/unjust application of the legislation of the case. In America, the Republic, the Jury dispenses justice, not the court or the judge. Citizens protect themselves and each other and that is not government’s responsible – to protect citizens.

The Cartridge Box is of course the last ditch effort to maintain or restore the Republic and freedom.
Allan

[Mr.Vicchio]

Originally posted by Gorgo, "Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . We need believing people." Adolf Hitler. April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of 1933

Bill of Rights
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Don't quote Hitler at me like Jew Hater would ya Gorgo, I thought you were above such pathetic displays.

Hmmm, Hitler was correct, wasn't he?
Allan

[Sandy]

If the churches would promote the freedoms found in the constitution, America would be a better place. Instead we have these zealots trying to go around the 1st amendment by using lies, misconstrued comments from our founding fathers and trying to bring the 10 commandments into the constitution. Many Americans have not had the proper education that should be demanded by the public schools and instead are brain-washed buy the churches to not bother to understand the Bill of Rights.

Every major war has been started by one religion pitted against another! I have to feel disgusted by the pro-life Christians and Jews who can't wait to get their hands dripping in blood when a new religion threatens their symbols.

A cross is a symbol; not one that I would wear in public! I don't buy the Jesus myth but am often pleased to discover that whenever a cross wearing person asked me a political question I know in advance they are out of their league.

I particularly find cars with the fish symbol or those dreadful bumpber stickers that tell everyone they are Christians. I tend to keep well ahead or behind these fools. Their religion is usually only skin deep.

If anything on this earth that will destroy America it is the Evangelical Born-Again Christians that will sell out American freedoms in a flat minute. Their visions and raptures are dangerous for our future. They fill their children's brains with lies and untruthes that could very likely allow them to murder their own children if God directs it. I've read enough of these pathetic non-thinking mothers who do stuff like that. In case you haven't noticed the Christian mothers of America are hearing God speak to them. How many more children's deaths to we need to see before somebody stops this nonsense?

But you will continue to want all religious lies taught to your kids and you will then feel all warm and fuzzy all over.

[Mr.Vicchio]

The hate for religion is amazing, but then, revelations does say that as the end days approach, the faithful will be the minority and prosecuted, its comming, slowly but surely.

[Gorgo]

Yes, the religious are certainly a persecuted minority in the U.S.A.

I was quoting another religious conservative, there Vicchio.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Doesn't mean he's right.

I could Quote Robertson or Buchanan, but that won't mean much.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Allan, Hmmm, Hitler was correct, wasn't he? Allan

Hmmm, no. Hitler was not correct. Not at all. Maybe in your little pipe dream. But no, not here in reality.

roxdog, you accuse (finger pointing) a lot, what was Hitler incorrect about?

Sandy, you are a breath of fresh truthful air, thanks.

Dr. Revilo P. Oliver said Christianity was a disease of the brain and from all appearances Christians today have no brain at all.
http://www.revilo-oliver.com/
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/the_critics/o.../Oliverbio.html

1. You should be allowed to wear a Crusafix.
2. If the voters vote to have such an event and tax payer funds are not used, I don't see why this should be a problem.
3. Specifically forbidden by the Constitution.
4. Knee jerk reaction is no. However, what do you mean by using city equipment? If the Mosque is paying rent for facilities or stuff, I'd have to say this is okay. If they are setting up shop in town hall, No.

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by Allan, roxdog, you accuse (finger pointing) a lot, what was Hitler incorrect about?

I haven't pointed any fingers. I've only pointed out that you're full of shit.

[PhanthomOps]

#1 - Yes - 1st Amendment
#2 - Yes - It is going to benefit those in need and less fortunate
#3 - No - 1st Amendment
#4 - Yes - If it is available and a proper rental feel is paid, and it is for peaceful purposes.


Sandy:
Quote: "Every major war has been started by one religion pitted against another!"

Oh, please educate me as to the religious factions fighting against each other in: World War II, Korea, Vietnam.

Quote: "I have to feel disgusted by the pro-life Christians and Jews who can't wait to get their hands dripping in blood when a new religion threatens their symbols."

Wow, that is quite a "blanket" statement!! Please explain.

Quote: "I don't buy the Jesus myth but am often pleased to discover that whenever a cross wearing person asked me a political question I know in advance they are out of their league."

So you are an Atheist?? Boy isn't our ego running wild.

Quote: " particularly find cars with the fish symbol or those dreadful bumpber stickers that tell everyone they are Christians. I tend to keep well ahead or behind these fools. Their religion is usually only skin deep."

You take a lot for granted - do you have the power to see into peoples minds and hearts?? I thought that was reserved for God - gee, are you God incarnate??? Or are you just asssssssssuming again?

Quote: "If anything on this earth that will destroy America it is the Evangelical Born-Again Christians that will sell out American freedoms in a flat minute."

President Herbert Hoover:
"Our strength lies in spiritual concepts. It lies in public sensitiveness to evil. Our greatest danger is not from invasion by foreign armies. Our dangers are that we may commit suicide from within by complaisance with evil, or by public tolerance of scandalous behavior."

This country was founded on Christian / religious beliefs.

President John Adams:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge or gallantry would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

Patrick Henry:
"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here."

FYI I am a Born-Again Christian, a DAV USAF, who served my country and would have gladly given my life for it. Once again you make a blanket statement - without proof.


Allan:
Do you believe every thing you read?????
Sandy - a breath of fresh truthful air - please pass me my gas mask.

roxdog - You do come right to the point :) :)

[bugsbunny04]

#1, yes, your freedom of speech

#2, yes, because the congress is not establishing, tax dollars are not being used to fund it.

#3, no, "Congress shall make no law...establishing a religion" That is quite clear with with weasle room.

#4, only if the church pays for the electricity and all other religions are given an opportunity to use it for the exact same purpose.

(Edited a typo)

[bugsbunny04]

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