Bible on being a slave

[Athena]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Depends on whom you're asking, from many christian's perspective, the things about slavery are just the author putting his own bias on a cultural reality of the time.

Okay, I breath a sigh of relief. Then you are saying some Christians accept at least parts of the bible are flawed human input? Are you giving us a Catholic perspective, that parts of the bible are myth and parts are cultural bias? This is reasonable, and opens the question of how far this reasoning can go.

Protestants had a hard time dealing with proof that the earth circles the sun, because they thought correcting the corrpution of the Catholic church, meant interpreting the bible literally!

Protestants say the Catholics are authoritarian, because of the power of authority they gave kings and of course assume for the church. The religion is not a democracy with several points of view, but is an autocracy rule by God, and on earth, ruled by men of God, and this means those who adhere to the dogma, not equality of all men. Some Muslims are strongly in favor of such authority.

On the other hand, I have heard Catholics accuse the Protestants of being authoritarian, because they place so much power of authoirty in the bible, a book that is full of myths and human bias. Some Muslims perfer this line of authority, of relying on a holy book, no matter how outdated its ideas are.

I wonder the Quran has to say about slavery?

[Athena]

It was far easier to find this biblical record of slavery when I googles Quran and slavery.

What the Quran says about slavery What the Bible says about Slavery Exodus 21:2 If thou buy an Hebrew servant.... Exodus 21:7 If a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant.... Exodus 21:20-21 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. Exodus 22:3 If he have nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. Leviticus 22:11 If the priest buy any soul with his money.... Leviticus 25:39 And if thy brother that dwelleth by thee be waxen poor, and be sold unto thee.... Leviticus 25:44-46 Both thy bondmen, and thy bondmaids, which thou shalt have, shall be of the heathen that are round about you; of them shall ye buy bondmen and bondmaids. Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, and of their families that are with you, which they begat in your land: and they shall be your possession. And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever. Ephesians 6:5 Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ. Colossians 3:22 Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God. 1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. Titus 2:9-10 Exhort servants to be obedient unto their own masters, and to please them well in all things; not answering again; Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things. 1 Peter 2:18 Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.

[Athena]

What the Quran says about slavery
Slavery
4:36 "(Show) kindness unto parents, and unto near kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and unto the neighbour who is of kin (unto you) and the neighbour who is not of kin, and the fellow-traveller and the wayfarer and (the slaves) whom your right hands possess."

4:92 "It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the blood- money to the family of the slain, unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave."

23:5-6 "And who guard their modesty - Save from their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess."

24:31 "And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves."

24:58 "O ye who believe! Let your slaves, and those of you who have not come to puberty, ask leave of you at three times (before they come into your presence)."

33:25-26 "Allah repulsed the disbelievers in their wrath; they gained no good. Allah averted their attack from the believers. Allah is ever Strong, Mighty. And He brought those of the People of the Scripture who supported them down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some ye slew, and ye made captive some.

33:50 "O Prophet! Lo! We have made lawful unto thee thy wives unto whom thou hast paid their dowries, and those whom thy right hand possesseth of those whom Allah hath given thee as spoils of war."

33:55 "It is no sin for them (thy wives) to converse freely) with their fathers, or their sons, or their brothers, or their brothers' sons, or the sons of their sisters or of their own women, or their slaves."

[Gods_Mercenary]

Okay, I breath a sigh of relief. Then you are saying some Christians accept at least parts of the bible are flawed human input? Are you giving us a Catholic perspective, that parts of the bible are myth and parts are cultural bias? This is reasonable, and opens the question of how far this reasoning can go.

Yes, mainly catholic perspective, that was my original faith growing up. Catholics believe the message of the bible isn't flawed, but that the details can be, obviously, because the bible contradicts itself on more than one occasion.

[Chris]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary From a society where slavery was the more merciful act as opposed to killing the person. Just goes to show you, you can justify anything with the bible. Sort of ignores Jesus, though.

To reiterate, I said Jesus believed in the old cruel and violent intolerant laws of the old testament. I finally found the passage where he says so with his own mouth:

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

[Gods_Mercenary]

And the law never says anything that can't be explained away by that's the way culture was back then. Jesus was perfecting the law, at least that's the way christians see it. Jesus also knowingly violated the law when it got in the way of his doing good to others.

[Athena]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary And the law never says anything that can't be explained away by that's the way culture was back then. Jesus was perfecting the law, at least that's the way christians see it. Jesus also knowingly violated the law when it got in the way of his doing good to others.

Jesus also ate without washing his hands, and it is most unfortunate this is in the bible. Jews understood unclean things makes us sick. The had rules to avoid getting sick, and Christian history wouldn't be so bad if the bible didn't quote Jesus as saying it isn't necessary to wash our hands. This left the Christians to become very superstitious about disease, and killing witches, instead of staying with the more realistic understand of unclean things.

[Athena]

Can anyone read the bible quotes and argue the bible does not condone slavery?

The slavery issue goes with the destiny issue, which I see is in another thread. It was believed God destined some to be masters and others to be slaves. Does anyone believe this today?

[Gods_Mercenary]

Well, maybe some evangelical sect in Idaho. And, like I said, for Catholics and many protestants, this can just be explained away as contradictory to Jesus' overall message, since they reject a literalist interpretation of the bible.