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View Poll Results: Why do you beleive in god/gods?
Hope. 1 5.26%
Benefit of religious community. 0 0%
Because I am punished if I do not. 0 0%
I studied the religion and it's the balance of life. 2 10.53%
I don't believe in a god. 16 84.21%
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Old Feb 6, 2007, 04:19 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
Derek Semeraro
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Why do you believe in your god/gods?

I am agnostic. It's the most professional, reasonable, and open minded point of view to stand at.
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Old Feb 6, 2007, 06:31 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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I'm going to qualify my vote. Most people define "hope" to mean "wish". The Bible defines hope to be the full expectation of things to come. I go with the latter.



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Old Feb 8, 2007, 12:43 am   #3 (permalink) (top)
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geee! I am an agnostic too! That is why I lack belief in god(s)!


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Old Feb 8, 2007, 01:27 am   #4 (permalink) (top)
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I'm going to qualify my vote. Most people define "hope" to mean "wish". The Bible defines hope to be the full expectation of things to come. I go with the latter.
What's the difference? In one you pretend to know what you want to happen, and in the other you admit you don't know whats going to happen, and so, wish it would happen. One is not more noble or virtuous and they are both just as intellectually foolish when dealing with the philosophical nature of our universe.
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Old Feb 8, 2007, 01:32 am   #5 (permalink) (top)
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I contend that since the theory of gods has never been supported with any credible evidence, there's no need to consider the entire notion to be any more than what history shows it to be, a myth that has been widely accepted as true for a number of reasons, some noble, others less so.


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Old Feb 8, 2007, 04:49 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
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Believing God or no God is man made!!! But it ias fact that most of living beings, man in particular want every time a miracle to happen so that the future out come must be the way they wish it to be. I am no exception, therefore, I believe if at all there is any God out there, he would listen to my prayers and turn my future the way I wish to have full comforts and pleasant atmosphere at each point of time.
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Old Feb 8, 2007, 10:40 am   #7 (permalink) (top)
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I am agnostic. It's the most professional, reasonable, and open minded point of view to stand at.
Really?

So... let's draw an analogy. Instead of the question "How did our universe form" let's draw over to "How did the Wright Brothers design the first successful flying machine?"

Let's say we have the hypothesis "The Wright Brothers designed their first plane from ideas they got after examining a Boeing 747." We'll call this the 747 hypothesis.

Do you believe this is a valid hypothesis? Assume the brothers left no notes and we legitimately have no clue as to how they built the machine that flew in 1903.
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Old Feb 8, 2007, 11:55 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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A more accurate comparison to agnosticism is accepting the claim "The wright brothers adopted their concept from another engineer" as true. Your analogy is more compatible with agnosticism towards Christianity, or another organized religion.
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Old Feb 8, 2007, 11:59 am   #9 (permalink) (top)
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What's the difference? In one you pretend to know what you want to happen, and in the other you admit you don't know whats going to happen, and so, wish it would happen. One is not more noble or virtuous and they are both just as intellectually foolish when dealing with the philosophical nature of our universe.
Hope is something that, if it didn't happen, you would be very shocked. Wish is something that, if it does happen, you would be very shocked.



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Old Feb 9, 2007, 04:12 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
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It took me 10 mts to understand your definition of Hope and Wish. Though meaning is a bit diffrent but at the same time I am not getting your definition of wish properly. I feel in the both cases of hope and wish if does not get fulfilled, you would be shocked. I could not understand if wish happens (if you mean fulfilled) why should you would be very much shocked???

Example:

I hope to get reply from you but wish I be correct and you wrong. Now can deuce difference as well as define them properly.:)
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Old Feb 9, 2007, 01:39 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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No, wish is more like: I wish we'd get a snow day off from school today (temperature: 41 F). Or...I wish I had been born with a better body. Or...I wish I was going out with Orlando Bloom. Or...I wish chocolate covered cherries weren't so fattening. Do you get the idea?



Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6
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Old Feb 9, 2007, 01:45 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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Simple.... Allah (God) gave me life, why shouldn't I believe in the All Mighty Creator of all things?
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Old Feb 10, 2007, 12:23 am   #13 (permalink) (top)
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I am agnostic. It's the most professional, reasonable, and open minded point of view to stand at.
Agnostism is a multifacited choice, could you amplify the detail of your belief. It is indeed a reasonable and open minded choice, but I am not certain of how you use professional in this context.

Have you ever compared it to the Baha'i Faith.


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Old Feb 10, 2007, 12:27 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
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but I am not certain of how you use professional in this context.
I, too, thought that was an odd choice of word for the topic. I'd be interested in hearing the justification for using it.


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Old Feb 10, 2007, 05:10 pm   #15 (permalink) (top)
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I am agnostic. It's the most professional, reasonable, and open minded point of view to stand at.
You can't really be just agnostic. Especially with this question.

Agnosticism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I myself stopped believing in a god when I was about 14 or so. Maybe sooner.
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Old Feb 10, 2007, 05:13 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
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You can't really be just agnostic.
Huxley proposed the term agnostic as a means to discover truth, not as an end point. But there are those here who seem to have quit seeking answers and are satisfied with "not knowing". Each to their own.


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Old Feb 10, 2007, 05:21 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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The belief in god or gods is a emotional response to human mortality.

I find no reason to believe in god or gods, so I do not. As such I am an atheist. Simple enough.


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Old Feb 10, 2007, 07:00 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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I am agnostic. It's the most professional, reasonable, and open minded point of view to stand at.
Agreed. And it does not lead to holy wars.
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Old Feb 13, 2007, 04:09 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
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No, wish is more like: I wish we'd get a snow day off from school today (temperature: 41 F). Or...I wish I had been born with a better body. Or...I wish I was going out with Orlando Bloom. Or...I wish chocolate covered cherries weren't so fattening. Do you get the idea?
Yes, I got it. Still your statement is true only those wishes which miracle types but not possible to happen type of wishes.
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