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Old Feb 1, 2007, 12:31 am   #61 (permalink) (top)
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Captain Chaos, I respect your patience with AM man, but if she was willing to co-operate, dont u think she woudve done it by now? All we get is pointless rambling with no hint of trying to credibly verify her claims watsoever.
I know...

But I am so totally fascinated by the idea of someone who genuinely thinks she is in touch with a messenger from God! I mean, this is great stuff. If she would just be willing to actually challenge her beliefs, we could have a fascinating conversation.

I expect evasion though, and I am dissappointed. Not ready to give up yet, though.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 01:33 am   #62 (permalink) (top)
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ArielMessenger...

Will you please ask Ariel to tell you the number I wrote down on that piece of paper in my office?

If you wish to impress people, and convince them of the truth, such veridical information gathering would be an awesome way to do it.

Surely it cannot hurt to ask Ariel?
Don't you know, it doesn't "work like that".

After all, she's simply making educated, informed predictions based on thought, logic, and observation.

ie: birds are descendants of dinosaurs, religions will fall out of favor when new historical and scientific evidence is discovered etc.

It's not prophecy, its hypothesis. This is very simple stuff...the fact that she has a narcissistic personality disorder and likes to attribute this stuff to divine, supernatural abilities is simply evidence of a bloated ego and nothing more.
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 02:34 am   #63 (permalink) (top)
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Mmm'k, guys, just for clarification...AM is a dude:



Just so you know.


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I was pretty sure just by writing style, attitude, and certain content cues (most girls don't tend to make that kind of claims).



Place me like a seal over your heart, like a seal on your arm; for love is as strong as death, its jealousy unyielding as the grave. It burns like blazing fire, like a mighty flame. -- Song 8:6
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:49 am   #64 (permalink) (top)
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ArielMessenger...

Will you please ask Ariel to tell you the number I wrote down on that piece of paper in my office?

If you wish to impress people, and convince them of the truth, such veridical information gathering would be an awesome way to do it.

Surely it cannot hurt to ask Ariel?
What trash! Your little number trip is meaningless, Chaos. You're a nihilist.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 10:14 am   #65 (permalink) (top)
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Mmm'k, guys, just for clarification...AM is a dude:



Just so you know.


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I was pretty sure just by writing style, attitude, and certain content cues (most girls don't tend to make that kind of claims).
Yeah I thought of him as a guy up until i read this thread and everyone was calling him "she". I guess they just assumed based on the mermaid thing.
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 11:22 am   #66 (permalink) (top)
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Let me get this straight...you'd rather destroy humanity than let religions...oh for crying out loud; never mind.:eek:
lmao.... it was a rhetorical comment.
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 11:39 am   #67 (permalink) (top)
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What trash! Your little number trip is meaningless, Chaos. You're a nihilist.
Why would you say that?



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4. Philosophy. a. an extreme form of skepticism: the denial of all real existence or the possibility of an objective basis for truth.
I might be a little bit of a nihilist, under the above definition. I confess to being skeptical of all things, and, in fact, I believe it is wise to embrace uncertainty. This just seems intellectually honest to me.

However, my number trip is not meaningless. A true prophet, being given information from a divine source, might well be able to answer the question correctly. If he cannot, it does not prove that his source of information is not divine, but it certainly makes it seem like this Ariel entity (if he is real) is not interested in convincing us.

That is not meaningless.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 11:57 am   #68 (permalink) (top)
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Why would you say that?
theists tend to be ignorant toward philosophy.


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 12:02 pm   #69 (permalink) (top)
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theists tend to be ignorant toward philosophy.
I doubt that Patrick Henry is ignorant toward philosophy. I think he is just prickly.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 12:16 pm   #70 (permalink) (top)
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I doubt that Patrick Henry is ignorant toward philosophy. I think he is just prickly.
He was completely wrong in calling you a nihilist. Obviously he does not know what the word means or what your viewpoints are.


"One objection that many critics have is the problem of logistics. However, with technologically advanced aircraft at His disposal, transportation for Jesus was NEVER a problem" ---- loser
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:26 pm   #71 (permalink) (top)
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Don't you know? It doesn't work that way

Capt., I'm not trying to be evasive but if you have read the Arielmessenger chapter in my online BC book you would find out that I never talk to Ariel, never listen to an angel with wings flapping around the room telling me what to do next, never do any of that neo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo New Age channeling stuff.

My relationship with Ariel is only seen by me through a consistency of Signs, or synchronicity events that have this mysterious spiritual "complex" for lack of a better term besides "Archetype", as a major focus.

The first entry of Ariel into my life occurred in 1975 and was completely divorced from any religious connection for me. Like a lot of hippies in the 60's and '70's I too took a new name, one identifying me with the New Age, a good "Aquarian" name, Ariel being the name of the air spirit in Shakespeare's The Tempest play, Ariel being the name of one of the moons of the planet Uranus, my astrological planetary ruler. I thought choosing the name put me far away from my father's name whom I was named after and his conservative worldview and politics that gave us the Vietnam War to which I was a conscientious objector. My father and I didn't see eye to eye about most anything and I was tired of my own name. I became known as Ariel in my community for 14 years, only going back to my given name after my father and I made out truce with each other finally doing by both becoming Christians in our different ways.

It came as quite a surprise to discover right after my religious conversion experience in 1979 that Ariel was a old Jewish angel name meaning "Lion of God", "Angel of Peace", "Angel of Jerusalem", and "Hearth of the Altar". As the years went by when "Ariel" as a name appeared in the newspaper or advertisement, e.g. the first time I saw an ad for that little mermaid cartoon, e.g. a news report about someone painting "Ariel" around Portland, e.g. discovering the town of Ariel when I went to visit Mt. St. Helens., e.g., being a n ex-motorcycle fanatic and finding a rare Ariel motorcycle for sale right near by that I purchased to ride, and last but not least at all, the various reports of Ariel Sharon, the last one being his coma and the accompanying idea that came into my head at the news that I should go public now with Arielmessenger, because the bad spiritual energy Ariel Sharon showed the world was evaporating at last and now the world could be ready for the true Angel of Peace.

So my contact of Ariel is very indirect and there is no "thing" there for me to ask questions to--all my information that this Ariel complex is guiding me comes from inference resulting from synchronicity signs and the fact that at the end of the most important religious vision God has given me, is Jerusalem and Peace, all of which are Ariel's domain.
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:30 pm   #72 (permalink) (top)
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:35 pm   #73 (permalink) (top)
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oh my god...now I am finally convinced youre a lunatic....
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:35 pm   #74 (permalink) (top)
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My relationship with Ariel is only seen by me through a consistency of Signs..
Can you provide evidence that these signs are not coincidental?

Perhaps you suffer from the texas sharpshooter fallacy - one that entails someone seeing patterns from chaos.
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:36 pm   #75 (permalink) (top)
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My relationship with Ariel is only seen by me through a consistency of Signs, or synchronicity events that have this mysterious spiritual "complex" for lack of a better term besides "Archetype", as a major focus.
Didn't you mention something about going into a fugue state?

I am, by nature, skeptical of everything. In order to believe the truth of what you say, I would need some sort of convincing proof. The predictions you have made so far seem more like deductions rather than prophecy.

Could you perhaps put a time period on some of those prophecies - a year or decade when they are supposed to occur?


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So my contact of Ariel is very indirect and there is no "thing" there for me to ask questions to--all my information that this Ariel complex is guiding me comes from inference resulting from synchronicity signs and the fact that at the end of the most important religious vision God has given me, is Jerusalem and Peace, all of which are Ariel's domain.
Rather than asking Ariel, could you ask god directly for a vision of the number I wrote down?

If that does not work, some sort other sort of unrefutable prophecy or veridical information gathering would also be cool.



If nothing else, consider this:

Your message will be lost, if you fail to convince people of the veracity of your visions. As you can see from the reactions you have gotten here at Volconvo, your current approach is insufficient.

I do not mean that as an insult, I mean it as honest advice.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:37 pm   #76 (permalink) (top)
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:42 pm   #77 (permalink) (top)
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oh my god...now I am finally convinced youre a lunatic....
Having been a lunatic for a little while (long story), I can testify that some lunatics are decent folk.


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 07:43 pm   #78 (permalink) (top)
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Heh...

Some of us take our relationship with our leafy friends a bit further!


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Old Feb 1, 2007, 11:10 pm   #79 (permalink) (top)
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Capt., I'm not trying to be evasive but if you have read the Arielmessenger chapter in my online BC book you would find out that I never talk to Ariel, never listen to an angel with wings flapping around the room telling me what to do next, never do any of that neo-spiritual mumbo-jumbo New Age channeling stuff.
Oh i thought you... oh i see! Cause that stuff is NUTS, isn't it? The signs thing makes so much more sense!! riigghhhhht!
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Old Feb 1, 2007, 11:38 pm   #80 (permalink) (top)
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Having been a lunatic for a little while (long story), I can testify that some lunatics are decent folk.
Well I didnt say they werent decent. Its just that lunatics in general are a bit....lunatic....
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