Messages from Ariel

[arielmessenger]

3. True and False Prophets

How do you tell a false prophet from a true one?

"Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? Even so, every good tree bears fruit, but a bad tree bears bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them."

Matthew 7:15-20

The Judeo-Christian tradition has adulterated the natural order of Creation by making God unbalanced as a Unity with its God the Father only emphasis. There is no significant importance given the Feminine side of the Godhead, no recognition of the Mother or Goddess aspect of the Holy One of Heaven & Earth. As symbolic of the process of patriarchal war against the Feminine aspect of God, in the last chapter of Revelation John describes the Tree of Life as having 12 branches. In ancient Canaan and Babylonia, the Tree of Life as a primary symbol of the Mother had as Her sacred numbers: 7, 13 or 28 branches: 7 for the Seven Planetary Rulers, 13 for the Lunar Year, 28 for the Lunar Month. Changing the Tree's numbers to 12 signifies the Solar masculinization of a basically feminine symbol.

In scientific actuality, both Sun and Moon cycles are necessary for the Tree of Life's abundant nourishment. The Holy One of Heaven & Earth, to be wholly One, has to be composed of both male and female aspects. Without the Unity of Mother and Father, woman and man, Yin and Yang, the Godhead of the Patriarchs is not whole, not wholesome, and has spawned all sorts of religiousl mischief with human societies modeling themselves on such divisive religious principles.

Prophets of God the Father who were at spiritual war with the Great Mother have generated most of the Scriptures used as rationalizations for genocidal wars against non-believers. I am a prophet of EL and the Elohim, the Holy Family, and both God the Father and the Great Mother together lead the true identity of the Holy One of Heaven and Earth.

So our Bottom Line B.C. belief re prophets is this: It is historical evidence that proves or disproves the accuracy of a prophet's words. When words don't match reality, they're false, simple as that. Real history will show whether or not a prophet's words expand or contract the Realm of the Holy One, or Kingdom of God, here on Earth where God's will is to done as well as here in our hearts and in our actions that follow the will of God shown to all suffering humanity through the love and compassion of the Spirit of Christ.

"Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do you say?

This they said, testing him, that they might have something of which to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with his finger, as though he didn't hear.

So when they continued asking him, he raised himself up and said to them, 'He who is without sin among you, let him throw the first stone at her."

And again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.."

In effect Jesus wrote a new commandment here, one that expresses the compassion for sinners that clearly separates a Christian from a Jew or a Muslim for that matter.

"So let it be written, so let it be done."--Yul Brynner as Pharoah Ramses in the movie, The Ten Commandments.

A real prophet has only to write it down for it to happen because his mind is in sync with God's. Of course, being human beings, prophets are not without the ability to err, and to err mightily in the service of their visions from God. Every person is subject to their times and therefore no prophet's words are without their historical context and limits of knowledge. So please, no prophet idolization, no Word idolatry here, do not rely absolutely on anyone else's words, mine included. The truth is always recognized within you, not in someone else. I am just the appointed point man, the one who points you in the right direction to find God on your own.

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[rez]

Quote by: arielmessenger A real prophet has only to write it down for it to happen because his mind is in sync with God's. Of course, being human beings, prophets are not without the ability to err, and to err mightily in the service of their visions from God. Every person is subject to their times and therefore no prophet's words are without their historical context and limits of knowledge. So please, no prophet idolization, no Word idolatry here, do not rely absolutely on anyone else's words, mine included. The truth is always recognized within you, not in someone else. I am just the appointed point man, the one who points you in the right direction to find God on your own.

What if nobody points me in the right direction, yet I find god. I would think that would be finding god on my own. Now if I did not need arielmessenger to point me in the right direction, but I still found your god would I be more of a prophet then you? Would I take your spot?

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: arielmessenger read my website. It's a whole book, I know, but if we are to engage in serious discussion you guys are gonna have to read it, not skim it as I can tell from the fact you are addressing me as female. Look at the pictures of me in the Story of Paxcalibur next time. Ok, actually this is something new, this interest in my Biomystical Christianity belief system. I've tried to get into discussions about it on quite a few religious talkboards and as soon as the monitors see me mentioning "prophet", "new religion", "Biomystical Christianity", off I go for "proselytizing". So, thank you, Volconvos, for letting me have free speech at least here. I think it's due to the prevalence of atheists here surprisingly enough because the talkboards where Christians and Jews post most often are the ones quickest to ban me due to my pronounced anti-Zionist Judaism, anti-Israel/pro-Palestinian beliefs. Ok, true prophets vs. false prophets..

I never called you a girl.

[phoenix_fire]

RE: AM's last (pointlessly) long post

I am aware of the masculinization of the faith. I believe that it was an overreaction to the heretical Gnosticism. I don't think the number 12 has anything to do with that.

You seem to be saying that history will bear you out...but then, maybe not. That's not terribly convincing. And your last para seems like an escape clause to me.

[arielmessenger]

I am predicting the demise of Israel as the name of the nation being born in the Holy Land in our times.

I am predicting the rise of Native American spiritual authority in the eyes of the world and the unification of Old World and New World religious conceptualization.

I predicting a major Islamic Reformation that will overthrow the idolatry of Muhammad and the Quran.

I am predicting the rise of the new Religion of Peace that will not become another organized religion because God has seen what men do when religious visions are transformed into hierarchal organizations, becoming just another set of men out to conquer and control territory "in the name of God" of course, but still continuing on the ancient biological dog-eat-dog fights for territorial control. This aspect alone, marks my prophesy bearing as much different from the old-style that was always attached to a religious community at war with its neighbors.

My own Biomystical Christian belief system is my own--it's a Gnostic solitary path but I am instructed to share it in order to "make straight the path of God" as is the Abrahamic prophet's job-description. But this time around no one is threatened with damnation and hellfire if they don't believe God sent me. War gods, being modeled on human warlords and inspiring more warlordism, always demand absolute obedience to their commands, but I represent God Most High who never was a war god and rules Creation through compassion and wisdom, not force and fear.

This too, is a major change, one started by the Gnostic Johannine Christian writers out of Asia Minor, e.g. Gospel of John and Revelation, but that doctrine was co-opted by Paul's and so traditional Christianity never has understood that by following Jewish religious doctrines they are worshipping the tribal war god of the Israelites--Yahweh, instead of EL Elyon, God Most High. Read GoJ, chapter 8, to see the strong antagonism John's Jesus has for the G-d of the Jews. I too have been given insight and researched the history of how EL was subsumed into Yahweh with the historical result seen in the Abrahamic religious peoples attacks on all who disagree with the war god, Yahweh, now also Allah, modeled on Yahweh.

[PatrickHenry]

Predicting the future is but one aspect of prophecy.

Exhortation and encouragement are more important roles for the true prophet.

There are many false prophets.

[arielmessenger]

you have become what is known as a prophet. Whether or not you are a "true prophet" or false, can only be determined after the fact unfortunately.

"What if nobody points me in the right direction, yet I find god. I would think that would be finding god on my own. Now if I did not need arielmessenger to point me in the right direction, but I still found your god would I be more of a prophet then you? Would I take your spot?"

I was never one a "seeker" type of spiritual truth. If you read the way I became converted from near atheism to lasting belief in the truth of God and spiritual reality, it was thrust on me quite without my knowledge in a three day crash course in spirituality.

Over the years the visions kept coming and so they have built up in volume and in consistent themes to form a unified new Christian religion albeit highly heretical and Gnostic, i.e., based on knowledge of God and Creation vs. being based on "faith" in the words of ancient men found in the so-called holy books.

For 25 years my visions were just things that happened to me and while I could think all kinds of importance should be attached to them still they were just stuff going on in my own little brain. There were unusual "coincidences" that happened with the Paxcalibur sanctification baptisms that pointed to Pax being special but the real event that has convinced me to go public with my prophecy bearing is what happened with my daughter and my own shared vision of Josephine that has come to unite us with Lakota spirituality and their prophesy of the return of White Buffalo Calf Woman. It marked evidence that my religious visions were now moving out of my own head and affecting other people. Following Sign I contacted a Lakota activist who has now become my friend and will supply the buffalo horns for the new Altar of Peace that Paxcalibur will be place on in the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. Two years after we made friendship this Lakota became President of the Oglala Sioux tribe. I am working now on our Heartlands Project that will help Lakota get back their sacred Black Hills and Bear Butte land.

It was the Bear Butte connection that was the first Sign that Lakota spirituality would be important to my own but it took 25 years for the Sign to be understood--my religious conversion happening on the spot in No. California where our homestead faced our Bear Butte mountain as you can see in the photo in the Introduction to B.C.

My vision of "Canaan" becoming the name of the Holy Land as both "Israel" and "Palestine" became unacceptable by either side in the I-P conflict, is being born out in the actions of Palestinians promoting a single democratic state, e.g. Mazim Qimsiyeh's "Sharing the Land of Canaan" and Sami Aldeeb's "Republic of Canaan" proposal. This was a complete surprise to me as I thought "Canaan" would be too esoteric for Pals to relate to but they already related to it unknownst to me.

I don't know how my prophesy will play out. You all expect a new organized religious movement with growing numbers of followers but I am not starting an organized religion--just the opposite. So this time around people will have to look at religious prophets and what they say the same way they look at any one who presents new ideas--no more idolization of prophets over, say, scientists who also bring new information that benefits society or hurts it, time tells..

I'm just a human being who happens to be a visionary type. The truth of what I bring is up to you to judge for yourselves--no one is demanding belief here but just recognition that something special may indeed be going on--a chance to look objectively at the prophet phenomena as it is occurring.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: Z What are you talking about CC? If you want to remain intellectually honest, wouldn't you have to admit AM's claims are unknown and could be true? If I didn't know better, I'd say you'd decided they're false and you're challenging AM to provide evidence to prove them true.

Their positions are different, but CC didn't explain so accurately

CC, me, and others are challenging the claim "there are no gods", on the basis that it's unevidenced.

This person is asserting a claim.

Both you and this person make no positive claims. Also, both me and CC require evidence before we rule anything out. That's why CC was asking for evidence in the first place - because he didn't dismiss it.

[arielmessenger]

I have been invited back to Nazareth by the Abuna (Arabic for "Father") of the Church of St. Mary where Pax is kept to again carry Paxcalibur in their annual Easter procession but I can't make the Easter date this year--perhaps later on in the year. When I am there I will be promoting the Canaan Peace Plan and "testing" Paxcalibur's effect on Israelis Jews and Palestinian Muslims outside Nazareth and perhaps hostile to such religious icons to confirm or deny Pax's power to cut through all language barriers to get God's intent across that all weapons against man must be transformed into peaceful uses. This will be one test of this prophet's speaking for God or just projecting fantasies from his own mind. Anyone care to come to be witnesses to divine intervention or not? Chance for non-believers to see for themselves if God exists and is guiding the course of my religious work or if it's all just one person's glorification of his own fantasy life.

[Captain Chaos]

Quote by: Ari This will be one test of this prophet's speaking for God or just projecting fantasies from his own mind.

I think a test of veridical information gathering would be better. Your ability to convince others could just be a testament to your persuasive abilities, or to the recipient's gullibility.

Seriously, why would Ariel be opposed to testing his validity as an information source?

[pahl]

How do you know that you do not suffer from Schizophrenia or something similar? After all, if you were, then you wouldent know it yourself. How can you trust in your visions? Have you ever had a vision that was incorrect? Do you belive that there are people that get false visions that are just in their heads?

And why should we listen to you? You could very well be a fraud or self-delusional as far as we know(the probability seems high), you cant prove anything within our lifetimes and even if you were the real thing what good would it do us? Why do you advertise yourself to others?

[Gods_Mercenary]

I don't think he/she is preaching anything different from Jesus, there's not a need for a new prophet.

[gallo]

Quote by: arielmessenger In one of my earliest visions I happened to predict the now verified theory that birds are direct descendants from the dinosaurs.

So your earliest visions were in the early 1860s? Exactly how old are you? Did T.H. Huxley get the idea from you or are you pretending that you didn't get the idea from him, since he first proposed it in 1867?

[rez]

Warning signs of Schizophrenia

[arielmessenger]

as part of my original religious conversion experience. In 1979, there was no indication that paleontologists were again focusing on the dinosaur/bird connection. That didn't seem to happen in paleontology circles until that Bakker guy wrote his book on dinosaurs being warm-blooded like birds around 1987 I think.

Democrites theorized atoms way back in ancient Greece but it wasn't until science came along several thousand years later to confirm the phenomena.

Three years before 9-11, I had the 11:11 moon in the center of the cross vision I saw in my window one night and it made me think of all the elevens in my life that show up, e.g. born 2/11/44, making my b-days all through the 20th century happen on multiples of 11, e.g. my son being born 4/11 at Easter making every 11th birthday of his fall on Easter. Is 9-11 a stretch of imagination from God making focus on 11's? I don't know for sure but for me it has indication value that something might have been up because now 9-11 means a hell of a lot to me, as it should to everyone else who's been hoodwinked in America into believing Muslim Arabs solely responsible.

[ByaKya]

This thread delivers !

islam will do away with the idolatry of muhamad and the quran? i dont think itll be called islam anymore. and what idol exist in islam? there are no picutres in moques, nor anywhere else for that matter

[Gods_Mercenary]

:rolleyes: You didn't know that Huxley made the bird connection! LOL! I just predicted that the U.S. went to war in Iraq in 2003! I know that you all knew before that, but hey, I swear I didn't.

[arielmessenger]

I like that "Flat, reptile-like gaze" description of symptoms of schizophrenia.

Nope, I'm not schizophrenic. Read my stuff and while, sure, it does contain my obvious individualistic worldview and does contain some words and concepts coined and defined by me, what you don't see is gooblygook or irrational conceptualization in expression that accompanies truly schizophrenic minds.
If schizos wrote as consistently clearly as I do, we'd all be in big trouble because you couldn't tell them from normal people. Somewhere along the line a schizophrenic's going to reveal irrational behavior patterns that others will see, and holding down jobs? Not so easily done if you're truly nuts.

I've worked as an environmental consultant for the largest timber corporation in my county, even had the CEO there participate in my Paxcalibur vision question. I've worked as an economic development and environmental consultant for one local tribe and now am in the process of doing the same for the Oglala Sioux. I've raised a family. I was a columnist for one of our local papers up until 6 months when I was let loose after writing two anti-Zionist columns the editor said brought in more flak than he's ever gotten. I am close friends with the most prominent Muslim spokesman in our county who knows all about my prophet trip and yet loves me like a brother. I have lot's of friends and none of them think I'm bonkers, but they do think I'm a religious fanatic, which is quite true.

It is impossible for me to walk away from the religious visions and revelations I have received because I am convinced they are from God. I have surrendered my life to carrying out the visions. If they were not benign and called for doing harm to people I would never act on them and would begin to consider myself crazy. But the visions are good, even the ones predicting doom for traditional religions because they deserve heavy duty criticism, having gotten away with murder and mayhem in the name of God for far too many millennia. So, I am a "Muslim" in my surrender to God, but Christian in my surrender to God as the Source of Peace, Love, and Harmony.

[Captain Chaos]

ArielMessenger...

Will you please ask Ariel to tell you the number I wrote down on that piece of paper in my office?

If you wish to impress people, and convince them of the truth, such veridical information gathering would be an awesome way to do it.

Surely it cannot hurt to ask Ariel?

[nilan3000]

Captain Chaos, I respect your patience with AM man, but if she was willing to co-operate, dont u think she woudve done it by now? All we get is pointless rambling with no hint of trying to credibly verify her claims watsoever.